The theory that some people get placebos instead of the vaccine

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  1. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Irony. That is exactly what you are doing with my responses to it. And playing dumb very convincingly.

    You haven't performed any checks on any of it. The totals related to covid 19 deaths.

    Introduce batshit scare headline and introduce implied connection.

    But a far better match to post covid 19 related after effects.

    Hardly surprising with both post-covid illnesses and all the delays that the pandemic incurred.

    Right. So what the hell is this bullshit about!

    Earth shattering news.


    Post covid 19 related. And of course the obligatory "whistleblower"!


    Answered already.

    Attributable to after effects of covid 19.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-692312045885

    "CLAIM: An increase in death benefits paid out by life insurance providers in the third quarter of 2021 in the United States provides evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines, which became widely available in 2021, led to a spike in deaths.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The claim wrongly attempts to tie COVID-19 vaccines to a surge in deaths in the U.S. in 2021. Insurance industry leaders say the delta variant of the coronavirus and deferred medical care during the pandemic likely contributed to the increase in deaths. Even as millions of people got vaccinated against COVID-19 in 2021, reports of death after vaccination remain extremely rare, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

    THE FACTS: As U.S. life insurance companies have reported a surge in deaths among their customers amid the coronavirus pandemic, online blogs and social media posts are falsely attributing the deaths to COVID-19 vaccines

    “More preliminary evidence that the vaccines have led to a spike in deaths,” reads the headline of one blog post circulating widely online this month. The post goes on to claim that a rise in deaths in the third quarter of 2021, about six months after COVID-19 vaccines became widely available, “offers further evidence that something is very wrong with these vaccines.”

    Other posts misrepresented comments made by Scott Davison, the CEO of the Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica. Davison said in a press conference in late December that his firm saw a 40% rise in death rates among working-age individuals insured under its group life policy in the third quarter of 2021. Some posts used that statistic to falsely imply vaccines were to blame, with one blog claiming the data showed a “record number of younger people in the workforce were dying after the roll-out of COVID-19 ‘vaccines.’”

    These posts misrepresent comments byDavison and others in the insurance industry. More than half of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to The Associated Press, citing CDC data.

    “CDC data indicates that 65% of 3Q excess deaths can be directly attributed to COVID,” Davison said. “Our own claims data is consistent with that as well. Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care an
    CLAIM: An increase in death benefits paid out by life insurance providers in the third quarter of 2021 in the United States provides evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines, which became widely available in 2021, led to a spike in deaths.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The claim wrongly attempts to tie COVID-19 vaccines to a surge in deaths in the U.S. in 2021. Insurance industry leaders say the delta variant of the coronavirus and deferred medical care during the pandemic likely contributed to the increase in deaths. Even as millions of people got vaccinated against COVID-19 in 2021, reports of death after vaccination remain extremely rare, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

    THE FACTS: As U.S. life insurance companies have reported a surge in deaths among their customers amid the coronavirus pandemic, online blogs and social media posts are falsely attributing the deaths to COVID-19 vaccines

    “More preliminary evidence that the vaccines have led to a spike in deaths,” reads the headline of one blog post circulating widely online this month. The post goes on to claim that a rise in deaths in the third quarter of 2021, about six months after COVID-19 vaccines became widely available, “offers further evidence that something is very wrong with these vaccines.”

    Other posts misrepresented comments made by Scott Davison, the CEO of the Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica. Davison said in a press conference in late December that his firm saw a 40% rise in death rates among working-age individuals insured under its group life policy in the third quarter of 2021. Some posts used that statistic to falsely imply vaccines were to blame, with one blog claiming the data showed a “record number of younger people in the workforce were dying after the roll-out of COVID-19 ‘vaccines.’”

    These posts misrepresent comments byDavison and others in the insurance industry. More than half of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to The Associated Press, citing CDC data.

    “CDC data indicates that 65% of 3Q excess deaths can be directly attributed to COVID,” Davison said. “Our own claims data is consistent with that as well. Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care and individuals who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies.”

    Catherine Theroux, a spokesperson for the insurance industry-funded research group LIMRA, said the firm doesn’t have concrete data through the end of 2021, but there’s no reason to suggest vaccines caused the excess deaths. She said deaths from the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus, which raged through the U.S. in the summer of 2021, likely contributed to the increase in deaths.

    “Based on the CDC data, the delta variant did impact working age and younger individuals more than the original variant,” Theroux said.

    The AP reported in December that CDC data indicated 2021 would be the nation’s deadliest year on record, with COVID-19 becoming the nation’s No. 3 cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Experts also said U.S. drug overdose deaths, which surpassed 100,000 in a single year from May 2020 to April 2021, would probably affect 2021 death numbers.

    As deaths increased across the U.S., reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination remained extremely rare. The CDC has identified nine deaths associated with rare blood clots caused by the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine, out of more than 17 million doses of that vaccine given. Health officials recommend the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines for most Americans, since they are highly effective against the virus and do not carry the rare blood clot risk associated with the Johnson & Johnson shot.

    The AP has previously debunked claims that getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can affect life insurance death payments. Whether someone received a COVID-19 vaccine is not a factor in whether a life insurance company will pay their claim.

    A spokesperson for the CDC did not respond to a request for further comment.
     
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  2. Scott

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    You don't seem to be taking into account what I posted in post #99.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-vaccine.591094/page-4#post-1073957873

    How do you know that info isn't just government damage control written by sophists? You've already seen this video so I'm just posting it for the viewers.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-worlds-population.602347/#post-1073957884
     
  3. Betamax101

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    My god, are you really that incapable of reading the response directly above that answers 100% your ridiculous claim? You quoted me an insurance CEO that deliberately distorted what he said then ignore where a spokesperson from an insurance company gives a direct quote!

    “CDC data indicates that 65% of 3Q excess deaths can be directly attributed to COVID,” Davison said.Our own claims data is consistent with that as well. Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care and individuals who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies.”

    Catherine Theroux, a spokesperson for the insurance industry-funded research group LIMRA, said the firm doesn’t have concrete data through the end of 2021, but there’s no reason to suggest vaccines caused the excess deaths. She said deaths from the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus, which raged through the U.S. in the summer of 2021, likely contributed to the increase in deaths.

    The AP reported in December that CDC data indicated 2021 would be the nation’s deadliest year on record, with COVID-19 becoming the nation’s No. 3 cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Experts also said U.S. drug overdose deaths, which surpassed 100,000 in a single year from May 2020 to April 2021, would probably affect 2021 death numbers.

    As deaths increased across the U.S., reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination remained extremely rare. The CDC has identified nine deaths associated with rare blood clots caused by the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine, out of more than 17 million doses of that vaccine given. Health officials recommend the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines for most Americans, since they are highly effective against the virus and do not carry the rare blood clot risk associated with the Johnson & Johnson shot.


    How do you know your batshit isn't batshit written by snake-oil salesman feeding off the gullible? You have this automatic response to any batshit, that decides the reply must be a lie, simply because you are incapable of objectivity and have terminal confirmation bias.
     
  4. Scott

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    This sure seems to be happening a lot.

    17-year-old basketball player 'died suddenly'
    https://www.wnd.com/2023/01/17-year...utm_campaign=Hoop_player,_17,_'died_suddenly'

    WATCH: Cameras cut away as reporter suffers apparent medical emergency during live shot: 'I'm not feeling very well'
    https://www.wnd.com/2023/01/video-c...tion&utm_campaign='I'm_not_feeling_very_well'

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-pfizer’s-covid-shot.597196/#post-1073884951


    I'd been following the anti-vaccine movement before the pandemic* so I already had my guard up. I smelled a rat before the vaccine rollout and the vaccine-related injuries and deaths started to accumulate so I didn't take the vaccine. I couldn't convince anyone in my family not to take it though. I email them stuff about the vaccine-related deaths and injuries that have been occurring and they just don't answer my emails now. It must be terrible to see that info after already having taken it.


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    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vaxxed+the+movie&FORM=HDRSC3
     
  5. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Bullshit. Already covered in your pathetic comparison, totally debunked. Your third clip is a bunch of batshit links to the same deceptive list!

    And you have the audacity to claim you are a "truth-seeker"! As you continue to repost crap I have taken apart.

    Died from a "freakish" sports injury! Peritonitis - more deception.

    Utterly pathetic - more deception. "CTV Edmonton later tweeted that Robb was "feeling better and is now resting.""


    How foolish, not just a follower of the batshit but a committed one.

    As already established, wilful ignorance does not run in the rest of your family.

    Really? You think they think that? They are probably a bit ashamed of your activities and your sister told you directly to logoff and stop frequenting such crap.
     
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    @Scott Your persistent spamming of the "died suddenly" movie is nauseating. You keep posting numerous links that all use the same deliberately deceptive source data!

    THE LIES OF ANTI_VAXXERS AND "TRUTHERS"!
    In the trailer for the anti-vax "documentary" DIED SUDDENLY a video of Florida Gators basketball star Keyontae Johnson collapsing on the court is shown. Johnson collapsed at a game on December 12, 2020, before vaccines were even available. And he didn't die! #DiedSuddenly
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    Another shot is a woman from Argentina passing out & falling into a moving train. She fainted due to low blood pressure from not eating all day. And she survived without any major injuries. She didn't "die suddenly"

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    Another shot shows a royal guard fainting, which is actually a common occurrence because they have to stand still for large periods of time. And of course he was fine and didn't "die suddenly."
    https://hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/20220915151182/why-do-queen-royal-guards-faint/…
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    Another shot shows comedian Heather McDonald fainting on stage, which she believed was from lack of eating & drinking that day. She of course completely survived and didn't "die suddenly."
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    here are plenty more examples in that link. You do not have the integrity to a) acknowledge any of them b) to cease with your deceptive posting campaign.
     
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    next the MAGAs will tell us doctors are intentionally giving republicans Placebos
     

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