The Thing Scaring Me about Trump

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    That's the worst solution I have ever read, even for a liberal! No wonder this country is in the state it's in today :roflol:
     
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    Well it's stand to reason if there are 11 million "Estimated" Undocumented in this country and if the Liberal rhetoric is true and they can't get welfare then I'm 100% confident that these people are in "FACT" taking and estimated 11 Million jobs away from U.S. Citizens!

    See how well mathematics works when you use it intelligently and properly!
     
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    Perhaps he would believe the liberal Los Angeles Times reporting that 10% 0f California workforce is made up of illegals?

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-new-immigrants-california-economy-20140903-story.html
     
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    Clearly reality and standard mathematics are not the liberals strong suit! Stands to reason though, accuracy and solid facts are the Liberals Kryptonite the closer they get to its proximity the weaker they get until they finally succumb to it, it's not pretty mind you, but many things liberal aren't ;)
     
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    Not only does his little hands scare me so does his hair. My parents use to make me eat cotton candy at the fair. His hair reminds me of orange cotton candy. His head freaks me out.:eyepopping:
     
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    Sure. And I see your solution is great.

    From an engineer's point. To fix any problem, you must understand the reason, find the root of the problem and fix it from there.
    Anything else is a band aid and will only be temporary. The problem will eventually come back and sometimes worse than the original.

    But one needs to have at least a grade school education to have a chance of understanding such a concept.
    Ask yourself if you qualify. If you have the courage.
     
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    The root of the problem is that it is tolerated and not punished.

    You don't need to spend much effort on google to find plenty of studies on the costs of gangs and illegal immigration.

    Gang violence costs at least $650 billion a year. https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Content/Documents/Impact-of-Gangs-on-Communities.pdf

    Illegal immigration costs to most states are now over a billion a year each, not including federal programs. It's at least 120 billion a year.

    http://cis.org/Costs

    https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-but-illegal-aliens-cost-the-u-s-plenty/

    http://www.fairus.org/publications/...llegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

    RW'ers are crying? What are you basing that on?

    We're not the ones talking about blowing up the whitehouse, smashing starbucks windows, rioting in portland, cancelling school classes to have cry ins.....that's all progressives.
     
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    The root is not that it is tolerated. And are you saying no members of gangs ever go to prison? If there are gang member going to prison, than it is being punished. But to fight it will require more resources and money. Something R's don't want to do. Raise taxes. Remember.

    Crying about the crimes, but never willing to put resources on it to take it on.
    The justice system is already overloaded with cases, how does adding more help, without adding more $$$$.
    Its always about $$$ and resources.
    I always hear the talk, but never see the walk.
     
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    Social programs could alleviate Chicago's problems, not sending in the National Guard. Tales of mass graves of "the disappeared" in places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Ecuador, etc., have left me with the impression that our welcoming political refugees to Sanctuary Cities was a really good idea - and that Trump's polices aren't. The history of the actions of US business interests abroad (Panama, Iran, Cuba, etc.) have not so much been to the benefit of those countries' citizens as just to the heads of those businesses. Even here, there is a tendency of the owners of companies to keep most of the profit, leaving their employees with subsistence wages and no job security.
     
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    No, they aren't punished. If what was being done was sufficient people would not be joining gangs and the recidivism would not be as high as it is.

    We have a problem because the punishments, or even getting caught, for what they're doing is a joke.

    Get ready to see plenty of walking under a President who actually does something instead of just talks out of the side of his neck live we've had the last 8 years.
     
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    Nor is it okay for US companies to back a bunch of foreign nationals' exploiting their own citizenry, nor is it okay for US to set up a "School of the Americas" to train foreign nationals in how to torture their own exploited citizens when they protest mass graves of the disappeared, nor is it okay for us to close our borders to political refugees seeking asylum here - nor is it okay for US companies to outsource our jobs, nor is it okay for US business interests (the one percent) to refuse to share the profit with the workers. But whatever anybody's claims of illegality, it is a wonderful, compassionate, humane thing to have Sanctuary Cities where beleaguered foreigners (of any stripe) can come to be safe.
     
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    I'm an American, so injustice in any part of America bothers me. One of my close relatives studied in Chicago at Northwestern a few year ago. The Miracle Mile and tourist areas seem somewhat safe. But I'd traveled to the area before and knew what lurked nearby.

    Even if WW3 started and they began paying $20 an hour for jobs in the Chicago area, how many thugs are going to give up the drugs, the action and violence and power they have currently at their young ages?

    We have our own small version of Chicago not far from my peaceful swamp and forest (nice subdivision). The thugs are not nearly so bad, and even my wife does mission/charity work right in the worst areas at times.

    However, the thugs are not contained by an invisible Star Trek force field that ends at the city limits. The best way to stop the problem from growing bigger is to take direct action in the bad areas. Some will respond to charity, and others will require an iron hand.
     
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    America is to big and many issues to worry to much about parts that really aren't impacting my life.

    If $20/hr jobs won't get them to give up the illegal drug trade, then obviously we've come close to the root cause. That being some drugs shouldn't have to be sold on the black market. Take away the market.

    No reason pot, perhaps even cocaine should be traded underground. Although, coke is very addictive. So I won't go legal on that, but making drug illegal and putting a war on drugs has been a uuuuuuggggggeeeee failure.
     
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    First, it's a huge stretch for any thinking person to believe that the trump cares, at all, about the people being killed in Chicago, or anywhere else. Especially since those people are brown and black. It's a joke to act as if he would care. He might want to use it to show how tough he is. You know, to show his 'small hands' don't mean he's just a typical right wing loser, and all that.

    But, there are always unintended consequences. What happens when one, or more, of the troops are targeted and killed? Or, worse, what happens when one of the young guard members gets rattled, over-reacts, and shoots a bunch of civilians? What if he slaughters innocent civilians?

    The riots we’ve seen so far, are nothing compared to what will be seen when (not if) the guard shoots American civilians. Americans of all colors will march to the White House and rip president Doosh and his stinking urine-colored wig into the street and show the dirtbag what real justice looks like. The freaking orange idiot has NO mandate to use the military against our own people. NONE.

    What president Doosh should be doing, is learning how to act like a normal adult. Enough of the bullying and posturing, already. Grow up, president Dooshbag.
     
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    That ^^ is just plain stupid assessment. Trump will do more for the "brown skin" minorities than the D party has done in the last 50 years. Availability of quality education through school choice and reduction of violence in the inner cities which the D party has done nothing are at the head of the list.
     
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    "The Task of Poetry is to Overcome Government" - Brendan Behan
     
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    Trump apologists, Republican conservatives, successful businessmen, members of the one percent: Let me refresh your memory: When, in the late 60s/early 70s, the peoples' representatives ignored their oaths of office, the people took to the streets to have their will (civil rights, stopping Viet Nam war) carried out. Some of the people died - Kent State, UC Berkeley, etc. protests. This did not stop the people. The duly constituted gunsels - police, natonal guard, etc. ad nauseam did not stop the people. Now, when Occupy protesters have called a spade a spade, and a capitalist a pig, (which information was massively suppressed during the "Cold War,") the people are showing their true colors. We are not fooled by demagogues. We do not knuckle under to "duly constituted" armed thugs. This is the nature of the American people. Hypocrite "leaders" beware.
     

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