The Truth About America’s History of Slavery

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  1. Green Man

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    You do gotta place some blame on prohibition itself, which increases the risk on the supply supply side making drug trade more profitable. Add to this the fact that armed badges along with other armed dealers trying to put you out of business and you would probably apply force to protect profits.

    You know how it is- can't run a business in this country without government grabbing a piece of the pie. Take the legislation of prohibition away and the trade becomes less profitable as the number of suppliers would increase. But, there are downsides to this as well as although violence associated with the trade might ease, use would inevitably increase.
     
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    Because you’re the one trying to claim one side is “worse”. The only reason to do that is to justify the other sides actions.
     
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    Where did I say one side was "worse"? (putting words in peoples mouths again? that seems to be your thing). You seem to be a tad bit confused about history. Those people sold by AFRICANS were already THEIR slaves. We learned the practice from Africa. Its horrible, unjustified and I wish Africa never taught us slavery.
     
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    Speaking about government grabbing a piece of the pie, when slaves were employed in agriculture part of what each slave produced went to the food, clothing, and housing of that slave. My question to you is, what percentage of your labor does your Master need to leave you before you ain't a slave anymore?

    We ain't as Free as We claim to be.
     
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    If you don’t think one side is worse then why did you ask the following question???
     
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    That's a question, not a statement. Nice try but sorry, NO CIGAR.
    If you want to put words in peoples mouths you need to try harder than pretending not to know the difference between a question and a statement.
     
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    So what was the point of asking that question?
    Will you go on record stating both seller and buy of slaves were equally scum of the earth???
     
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    Although every civilization had slaves, slaves were the spoils of war. We saw this with Rome, certain Greek states, Mayan, Inca, Spanish, English, and so forth. But the US developed it into a system specifically on race, and why we have the contentious issues that blacks are "monkeys" or that they cannot govern themselves, or the fact the US Constitution, when it came to the census, counted blacks as 3/5 of a person, among other things. Why and where do you think these ideas came from and were passed down from generation to generation for over 100 years?

    We had 41 founding fathers who were slave owners. We have been dealing with the issue of slavery since the country was founded under the US Constitution. The British tried to use slavery against us in the South by "freeing them" in exchange they serve the King. During the Civil War, some slaves wanted to fight for the South because they were afraid of losing their roofs, their livelihood, and their importance to their owner, but the South rejected that idea in a heartbeat, and it was quite evident in the Confederacy Constitution that slavery was a "right" and was said so by certain individuals who gave commencement speeches when the Confederacy was formed in 1861.

    Thus, in your OP, you are not exactly speaking the whole truth either IMO.

    https://www.aaihs.org/a-history-of-slavery-in-the-united-states/
     
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    And I bet you consider yourself open-minded
     
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    the war on drugs
     
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    You people need to get some new material.
    This is the same tired bullshit we've been hearing for years.
    For those who bothered to go beyond middle school and get an actual education, they learned that history is a complex concept and thin-skinned dogmatism is no reason to avoid looking at reality, warts and all, and trying to understand the larger truth about the world and human nature.
     
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    The entire global history of slavery, not just the Americas
     
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    Im not open-minded unconditionally so if someone who’s a white supremacist has something to say, then I’m not making any effort to listen.
     
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    That doesn’t change how evil it was
     
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    How do you decide who is a white supremacist?
     
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    No it doesn't, we recognize that now. It was evil.
     
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    Seems like they’ve got that reputation on their own, judging by what I’ve heard from folks here.
     
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    And would you claim that Howard Zimm is more accurate?
     
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    Many recognized it back then too.
     
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    Who?
     
  21. JohnHamilton

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    I forget the exact title, but Howard Zimm wrote “A People’s History of the United States.” It was a Marxist interpretation of American history. He died about 20 years ago, and the leftists have been morning his death for years.
     
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    You’d think we’d have heard more about him from leftists on this forum given how much they still “mourn” him
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  23. mswan

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    Yes, a few at first and then gradually more. Important among those early ones were the Quakers. I'm intimately familiar with Quakers.
     
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    I think you mean Howard Zinn.
     
  25. JohnHamilton

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    Thank you for the correction. I remember a post on another political site when a leftist lamented how much he missed Howard Zinn. I got through about a quarter of his book and was disgusted.
     

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