Lincoln decided the United States was worth fighting for...and keeping intact. We have a United States because of Abraham Lincoln. You ought to be honoring him...rather than making him an object of your derision. Or...continue to entertain with the nonsense. - - - Updated - - - You are dealing with a poster who asks you to confront what he actually says. You want to make stuff up and attack that. I understand. So...go back to creating straw men...and show you can defeat them. And proud that you are able to defeat nonsense you made up yourself. I will continue to laugh at you.
Oh, I know...I know. You think I am a "covert agent"...and that your childish interpretation of the Constitution is what everyone should accept. You apparently also think you can ask questions and if a person answers "NO"...and you want a "YES"...that means they did not answer. Okay. I get the joke.
My NO means NO. Your absurd questions deserved a NO...and I responded NO. I have no trouble exercising my free speech, Christopher. You seem to have no trouble exercising your free speech. None of the people here seem to have any trouble exercising their free speech. What is your problem? Get out from under the tin foil hat and see the world. Yeah...for some, they are always battling the boogey man who hides under the bed. Good luck with that.
God Bless your family members who fought to defend our sacred soil from foreign invaders sent by a Tyrant. Nothing more honorable or noble than that.
I seriously doubt that. What you read is that blacks followed the union armies through the south because that is where they felt safest. In any case slow conservative change is best. Nazi liberal change is worst. It is a guess about the future at best.
If you guys feel that strongly about it...why not give it another shot. I think you would be successful. I am a northerner who will side with you guys being allowed to go. We'd all be better off. Fewer trailer parks are not going to break the union; a higher intelligence level sounds terrific to me; and since the states that formed the first attempt at a Confederacy are the greatest drain on the national income, the remaining members of the Union would have more wealth to work with. The Balkanization of the United States would be of benefit to the world in general also...not just to remaining Union states. The US would cease to be the overwhelming super power it is...and the world would feel a bit less jittery. So by all means...GO.
Never happen. The Yankee invasion continues to this day. Millions and millions of Northerners live in the South now. Southerners don't move to the North because of that dreadful climate. And the next US Civil War will not be North vs South.
You may be right on that last part, Saamp. I hope it doesn't come to that...but even if it does, the war that might result from conservative vs non-conservative will seem like a war between the North and the South...because the South is the mainstay of American conservatism. Like I said...I hope nothing like that ever happens again. I want us to stay together as brothers and sisters. But if it ever comes to states wanting to leave the Union...I will be with the faction saying, "Let 'em go and good riddance."
So slavery was better for blacks than freedom? Why don't you ask any black friends of yours if they want to be slaves. If you don't get slugged in the face than I would be quite surprised.
Well, do you honor President GW Bush? Abe the outlaw managed to invade VA which opened a full scale war. And due to his acts, managed in a scant 4 years get over 630,000 people killed due to combat. Imagine had he went the peaceful route, how he really would have been great.
You all miss the entire point of our arguments vis a vis slavery. Examine their homes prior to the war. They lived in a wealthy condition. True the master lived far better, but all in all a slave was guaranteed shelter, food and work. Post the war, what did they then have? The war consumed much of the infrastructure. Imagine trying to locate a job in a burned down Atlanta or Richmond, VA. Today blacks harbor intense resentment. We don't need to ask them, it is in their demeanor, their arguments, as you said, we could end up slugged, maybe killed. They have to survive in cities not worth much at all. If they get lucky, we whites will rebuild those cities. I don't expect blacks to rebuild them. And we whites will bear the cost as well. And we never burned them down. Blacks are very miserable and I put the blame back on Lincoln who took the path of war over peace. One measure of the devotion to him the Democrats have is they flat ignore and refuse to discuss the fact that we had about 25 percent of our presidents that owned slaves.
Most states are populated by conservatives. It is the perimeter that has the socialists types. Most Governors are conservative. Most in Congress are as well. If the conservative states bailed out, you would not have all that many states left to rule. And make no mistake, the Democrats fully intend to rule us. Proof is their penchant to make up new laws. They are always in a hurry to make up more and more laws. They want as much regulated as the public will tolerate.
I'd simply argue that living in a ditch, having nothing but the clothes on one's back, is far better than forced servitude, where violence against you, brutal violence mind you, is a foregone conclusion in your life if you displease massa in any way... OR, if massa just feels like it. Those scars from being on the whipping post carry much deeper, & long reaching pains, considering how far past the Civil war hey we're endured, than the subhuman housing, eating scraps, & guaranteed forced labor ever will.
So, you think you have no trailer parks in New Jersey? Why do you have to try to smear people you don't even know?
Boy, those Democrats. They sure know how to get things done...how to take charge. They just dominate things. Seems like all the conservatives can do is to cry..."Mommy, they are ruling us. Make them stop. I don't like them." My guess: The majority of people in this country tend closer to liberal policy than to conservative. Anyway...if the conservative dominated states want to leave the Union...I, for one, will be backing their right to leave. What you will hear from me and the many others like me is, "Be careful of the door on your way out." So...if you think you can lead a movement for a new rebellion...go to it. My further guess: There is not enough leadership in American conservatism to get a thirsty horse to water.
I recall my feeling in the Army. I was a virtual slave to do with as the Army so chose. As to beating the slaves, people living in the North seem to exaggerate this for some salacious purpose. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091030202201AALFurI When I was drafted, I had the choice to serve or go to jail. I will say this though, I was not yelled at like you see in movies. We were forcefully talked to, but I never endured that in your face screaming you see on film. Normally you see that done in movies where they speak of Marines. But make no mistake, your time is not yours. You will only get a pass if you earn one. And it limits your freedom. Even with the pass, it gives you a distance from base you must not go past. I still to this day have one or more of those passes. While I never saw a man beaten, I did see adults who were treated no better than wanton children. - - - Updated - - - Since that is a strawman, i don't know what to tell you.
Robert, I love ya, but any descendant of a brutally beaten slave, I pretty sure would say that regardless of the results of a yahoo questions answer, or link, the treatment of their ancestors was anything but equitable, & that even their ancestors would not have just, all things considered, preferred the North just let things play out, & allowed the furtherance of slavery into newly acquired territories, in the hopes that some day, prior to the Second Coming of Christ, things would ultimately get better on their own, so long as massa kept dem scraps a comin. Sorry man. I ain't buying.
Why don't we try to pretend we own slaves. First, they produce work. Beaten, they may not be able to walk. Why disable them? We have parents who mistreat their children. But to assume all parents do that is a mistake. We only hear anecdotes and not conclusive proof. I recently read Frederick Douglas book and he lived with a number of families prior to getting free. Douglas had learned to read. Douglas was treated well by some families and awful by one or two. He was raised in Maryland so maybe that has something to do with this. normally those saying slaves in general were severely beaten make up excuses for Abe Lincoln too. I don't recall any of your Lincoln quotes dealing with slave beatings. Do you think he forgot?
get serious, slavery disappeared in all countries and would have done so here too without government interference that killed 600,000 for no reason.
Considering Douglas' upbringing in Maryland, & the history of the slave trade there, I'm sure the potential abolishonist influence, & being outside if rural constraints there can be an explanation for his relatively positive treatment there, all things considered. Once sent back to the country after like 7 years though, oh boy, did hings change, & that's when he pledged he'd be free a year after being sent back. Good reading this really: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p1539.html As for Abe's quotes, http://rogerjnorton.com/Lincoln95.html I think you'd agree, old Abe knew what exactly was going on, and how severe.
I guess we'll never know Ted. Personally, outside of the slavery thing, you'll find that I support the South, & proudly display my Confederate Flag.
25 percent of our presidents owned slaves. What do you know of our presidents histories alleging they beat up their slaves? I visited Mt. Vernon and though only call the slave quarters shelter, it was better than staying in a ditch. I did not see or hear of whipping posts there or at Jefferson's home called Monticello at Charlottesville, VA. Both plantations had gardens. This speaks well of fresh produce I believe. Both had animals that were slaughtered. I realize what Hollywood has done, where we still think cowboys were there to chase indians, but that is more myth than truth. Read these actual histories "Master always gived de ni99ers plenty to eat". I am reading some of the slave accounts but it seems those alive in 1937 were children as slaves.
I was in VA when I purchased my battle flag. I got it just to have a piece of history. At Pearl Harbor, I was able to purchase a very good quality US Flag that is certified to have flown from the mast of the sunken ship AZ at a date and time named. You know, as much worship as Abe gets, one wonders why?
