The US constituion was designed to guarantee freedom from religion...

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  1. Awryly

    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    ... as much as freedom of religion.

    The Supreme Court has upheld this ideal in decisions like Roe v Wade.

    But there are many who would force their dubious beliefs on others through manipulation of political and legislative processes, just as the Virginia legislature has just done.

    What do privately held beliefs have to do with matters of public law and order?

    It is merely an attempt to gain mileage at the expense of non-believers ... that the constitution was framed to avoid.
     
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    Yes, you are correct!!
     
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    This wouldn't be an issue if the Constitution would have been followed in the first place. The government has no right to be mandating anything.
     
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    The "Church" has no right to be mandating anything.
     
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    Awryly New Member Past Donor

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    The government has merely mandated that women should be allowed access to adequate health care.

    If that steps on your religious toes, have regard for the greater good not served by whoever you pray to.
     
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    Women already are allowed access to adequate health care... just as every American in this country already is.

    There is nothing in the Constitution that says the government is allowed to mandate that I get health insurance, nor is there anything that says I must pay for someone else's birth control.

    You clearly have no clue about the Constitution.
     
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    The church isn't mandating (*)(*)(*)(*).

    Why don't you learn what you are talking about?

    Government has no right to tell me I have to pay for other peoples contraceptives. If you think I'm wrong, then you should have no problem finding where in the Constitution it allows that.
     
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    Your not paying the insurance companies. Your faux outrage is pathetic.
     
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    Nor do you about "access to health care".

    You would like to deny it to those who believe contraception is a right just because you believe contraception is not a right.

    You are the perfect example of someone who thinks in ways your constitution prohibits.

    Your ilk are a blight on your society.
     
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    What the hell does this mean?

    The government has no right to require me to purchase health insurance. It's pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) simple.
     
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    I don't know how long the argument will continue; probably until so many DIE, the BEST solutions cannot be ignored.

    Ultimately I see the Constitution being amended to allow the healthcare system to become what it needs to be. It may take 50+ years, but I think it will happen that way.
     
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    Fine, get an abortion. It isn't MY responsibility to PAY for YOUR abortion.
     
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    And you don't. Zero federal funding goes toward abortions unless its rape or incest. That is fact.
     
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    Why should any "employer" dictate what an employee's medical care should be?
     
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    50+ years? Obamacare was already passed. Unless it gets repealed it will be here soon.

    If liberals truly cared about the Constitution an amendment would have been made... which would make this Constitutional.

    The truth is
    1. they don't care
    2. Obamacare was rammed down our throats
    3. If they would have waited for an amendment, it would never have passed.
     
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    If you employ me under a health care plan, it is. Simple really.

    Except for a bunch of bishops in the Catholic church trying to make public policy.
     
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    Planned Parenthood.

    Either way, it's going to in the near future. I also don't want to pay for your contraceptives.
     
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    If they are providing the health care plan, hell yes they should. If the employee doesn't like it, then can work elsewhere or purchase their own health plan.
     
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    No it is not.
     
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    The USSC ruled separation by only one vote 5-4. Far from a big endorsement. Roe v Wade has little to do with religion. Many people that aren't religious are against murdering a fetus, or nearly formed preborn.


    Freedom from or for religion. That doesn't mean the government has any obligation to keep you from seeing or hearing about anything religious. It only gives you the right of not partaking of anything religious if you so desire not to.
     
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    What do you think (pardon the expression) health plans are for?
     
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    Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional. Nothing in the Constitution says that the federal government has the ability to regulate that issue. It's a state's issue.
     
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    There is a law in Texas that says you cannot hold public office unless you believe in God.

    No joke, of course its not followed but its on the books. Look up "funny religious state laws" and see what some of these States have passed.

    And people really want the States to have more power?
     
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    Yes they do...amongst their people who freely and willingly belong...that is what Religious Freedom is, dummy.
     
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    The founders were christians or at the very least Deists. Which does not mean godless. God is mentioned in the constitution. Our founders have referenced God many times in many ways and most have funded bible societies in the US. They were aware of the hazards of a gov't gotten too big and powerful. WE were to be protected from a Gov't mandating a state religion or meddling in our religions. THERE IS NOT separation of church and state. That is made up by leftists, atheists and anti-god types. You have NO separation of Church and STate in the Constitution. IT was NOT intended. You can argue all you want. YOu've been mislead and mistaught.
     

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