The whistle blower story heats up. Yet another example of stonewalling.

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  1. spiritgide

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    You need to update on the people pushing the complaint, now that the transcript is out. I think the explosive story they were puffing on didn't work out as expected.
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  2. JusticeOne

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    Try again.
     
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    "You're batting 0 fer your tenure on this site "


    I'll take that as a badge of honor. Batting 0 against spurious facts is a great place to be.
     
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    Only a Trumper would be proud of getting EVERY fact proven wrong
     
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    For those who say there was no quid pro quo, I would ask, what do you expect Trump to say to prove there was quid pro quo?

    Extortion on the Presidential level is always implied.
     
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    In the hopes that he would appear transparent, Trump threw himself on the mercy of the court, so to speak, and released both a transcript of the July 25th phone call to President Zelensky of Ukraine and the whistleblower complaint, although the latter is still classified and cannot be released to the public. However, the transcript alone is proof the President violated the Constitution and federal law by asking a foreign power to intervene in our election on his behalf.

    Keep in mind, Trump stopped a military aid package to Ukraine five days before this phone call, and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff told reporters, "There is no quid pro quo necessary to betray your country or your oath of office. Even though many read this as a quid pro quo. I'm not concerned whether it is a quid pro quo or not. Ukraine understood what this President wanted."

    That said, while Trump didn't come out and say, "I'm bribing you," clearly there was quid pro quo.

    Zelensky mentioned that Ukraine is ready to buy more Javelin missiles from the US. Trump responded by saying, "I would like you to do us a favor."

    "The United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very, very good to Ukraine," Trump said.

    Of course, Zelensky agreed, and told Trump the US is a "much bigger partner" to Ukraine than other European countries. Zelensky has agreed to everything Trump has said during this episode. The very last thing the Ukrainian president wants to do is anger Trump. Trump holds the key to the defense of his country from the ongoing Russian aggression.

    Trump had no qualms about using that leverage.

    Trump then proceeded to pressure Zelensky for cooperation with his political agenda, urging him to start corruption investigations while stressing the United States’ role in military assistance for Kiev.

    Trump rambled on about the 2016 elections, something about a server called Crowdstrike, Robert Mueller, and the former ambassador from the United States, "the woman," Trump said. Finally, he got down to hard cases. "The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me," Trump said.

    In addition, Trump urged Zelensky to work with Attorney General William P. Barr on potential corruption investigations connected to former Vice President Biden, his son, Hunter, and an unsubstantiated theory about stolen Democratic emails in 2016.

    "Trump’s suggestion that American law enforcement be directly involved and in contact with Ukraine’s government marks the first evidence that the president personally sought to harness the power of the United States government to further a politically motivated investigation," the New York Times.
     
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    And let's not forget that the mere fact of this going to the DOJ and the White House is outside the law.

    By LAW...the DNI was mandated to turn that "credible and urgent" whistleblower complaint over to Congress within 7 days.

    Instead he turned it over to Billy the Bagman at the DOJ...and the White House disseminated it to all sorts of people including Rudy Ghouliani
     
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    Yes, Trump broke the law by withholding the whistleblower complaint from Congress. That is why he released it. For him to try to keep the complaint from Congress, the document must be very damaging.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

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    Pentagon’s Letter About Ukraine Torpedoes Trump’s Excuse For Withholding Aid
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pentagon-defense-letter-trump-excuse-ukraine-aid

    On Monday, Trump suggested he had withheld the aid to Ukraine only because he wanted to make sure the funds weren’t going to a corrupt government.

    “If you don’t talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?” Trump said.

    But a letter from the Defense Department sent to Congress in May, first obtained by NPR, shows that the Pentagon had “certified” that Ukraine had taken sufficient measures to combat corruption and was therefore was eligible for aid–before Trump’s call.
     
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    Trump didn't withhold it. Please get stuff right.
     
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    So what! Its all a big nothing burger.
     
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    Trump’s calls with foreign leaders have long worried aides, leaving some ‘genuinely horrified’

    In one of his first calls with a head of state, President Trump fawned over Russian President Vladimir Putin, telling the man who ordered interference in America’s 2016 election that he was a great leader and apologizing profusely for not calling him sooner. He pledged to Saudi officials in another call that he would help the monarchy enter the elite Group of Seven, an alliance of the world’s leading democratic economies.

    He promised the president of Peru that he would deliver to his country a C-130 military cargo plane overnight, a logistical nightmare that set off a herculean scramble in the West Wing and Pentagon. And in a later call with Putin, Trump asked the former KGB officer for his guidance in forging a friendship with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un — a fellow authoritarian hostile to the United States.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7cc7a8-e602-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html
     
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    Schiff and company going down like good puddin.
     
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    The dems have made such a horrible mess of their so called impeachment everybody I know is just laughing themselves silly over it, right along with the rest of the nation.
     

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