The Why Joe Biden Is Unfit for Office Thread

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  1. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    Yeah no. They hated Donald Trump, the media was in full on attack mode against Donald Trump then just as they are now. Independents didn't buy the hate Trump constant lies then, and they won't buy it again. Who cares what polls say? They got it wrong last time, they'll get it wrong again.
     
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    I may have posted this video in another thread, not sure. But it does belong in this thread for sure.

     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Old wives tale. RCP averages, the polls said Hillary Clinton would win the popular by 3.3 points, She won it by 2.1. Well within the margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. What that mean was the polls were saying Hillary would win the popular vote between 0.3 points to 6.3 points. Her victory margin of 2.1 was within that margin of error.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...rump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

    So the polls didn't get it wrong.
     
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    They had her leading by double digits for most of the campaign. It's just coincidental that the polls closed up in the last week or two I guess.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you scroll down to the graph? I'll make it simple, on 17 Jun Clinton by 4.7, on 17 July 4.5 points, on 17 Aug 6.2, on 17 Sep 1.0, 17 Oct 7.1, 1 Nov 2.2 and on 8 Nov, election day the polls had it at 3.3 points.

    At no time did Hillary ever have a double digit lead. Her biggest lead was 7.6 points on 9 Aug 2016. This is all available on the graph.
     
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    Well, that's the graph that includes 3rd party candidates.
     
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    AAAAAAND he forgets the word "mailbox". Yeah. He can represent me in trade deals with China.
     
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    They did receive 6% of the total vote. So did you want only polls on 94% of the electorate or polls on 100%? 6% is quite a lot of votes for third party candidates. Quadruple over the normal third party vote. in 2012 1.5% voted third party, 2008 1.2% and in 2004 1.0%.

    Now I can understand ignoring 1.0 to 1.5% of the electorate, but 6%? The final vote tally included them that is why neither Trump nor Clinton was able to reach 50%.
     
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    It's not going to matter. JOE BIDEN will lose the popular vote.

     
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    Most of the polling that I have drilled down into indicates that the Undecided/3rd Party/Don't Know are all sitting at the 1% mark for 2020.

    This is not an election where 3rd party or undecided voters are going to make a difference by suddenly all going for one candidate or the other. In essence the polling covers 97% of the electorate and there is almost nobody who is going to be making up their minds at the last minute inside the voting booth itself.

    In 2016 the wannabe Fascist-in-Chief benefitted from TV celebrity and free coverage of his rallies during prime time. He was given the benefit of the doubt by the electorate who had been inundated with an unrelenting 4 year campaign to paint Hillary in a negative light. She still ended up winning the PV and only lost the EC by a paltry 77k spread across 3 states.

    The voters themselves changed their minds about the wannabe Fascist-in-Chief over the past 4 years. By 2018 it was already apparent that he was a major DRAG on the GOP ticket and a prime MOTIVATOR for Dem turnout. Nothing positive has occurred since then but more negative things have thereby the trend continues in the same direction.

    This probably won't be a landslide election but I would not be in the least surprised if the MARGINS in the red states were the LOWEST in the history of elections while the TURNOUT sets a new record.
     
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    That load of crap has already been DEBUNKED.
     
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    With the revelations on Hunter Biden's laptop about Joe, they make Joe look like he is a contender against Bill and Hillary Clinton for corruption . . . and that's just wrong. The irony is that it seemed that damned few voters actually wanted Biden during the primaries. But the DNC wanted Joe Biden.
     
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    The DNC did the Math and Biden is the ANTITHESIS candidate compared to your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief.

    Turns out the DNC made the right choice because Biden is well ahead and the returned ballots already show a STRONG lead in swing states like MI and FL.
     
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    This thread isn't abut politically corrupted polling companies working for the Democratic National Committee and nor returned ballots that cannot -- by law -- be revealed as regarding their contents before the official election day rolls around.
     
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    This thread is about Joe Biden and the FACTS I provided establish the OP is WRONG because We the People are declaring that he IS fit for office with our ballots.
     
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    When looking at the rallies, it doesn't look like anyone actually wants to vote Biden. Phony mail in ballots and phony polls should scare the hell out of people that want free and fair elections.

    And now, he cannot remember what a mailbox is:
     
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    If that is your ONLY metric you have effectively established that you do not understand the Biden campaign.

    Biden is the ANTITHESIS candidate!

    ONLY your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief desperately NEEDS rallies to feed his BLOATED ego.

    Biden does NOT need rallies because he ALREADY HAS all of the support he needs to WIN next month.

    Rallies are NOT going to alter who anyone votes for next month. There are NOT any Biden supporters coming to the rallies of your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief and having Come-To-Jesus moments and being CONVERTED into cult believers.

    The polls were FIXED to INCLUDE the low educated white voters and that demographic is SHRINKING by 3.5 million between 2016 and now which is a NET LOSS of 1.2 million votes for your your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief.

    Women voters are REPULSED by your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief and since they are the LARGEST voting bloc the LOSS of their votes essentially DOOMS him to LOSING in November.

    Seniors WERE the bedrock base of the GOP but your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief's attacks on Healthcare and Social Security as well as his CALLOUS disregard for their lives during his INCOMPETENT mishandling of the Pandemic has caused them to SUPPORT Biden instead.

    So rallies are MEANINGLESS when it comes to the election outcome. They will NOT have any impact whatsoever.
     
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    Two factors: an unusually large number of people still undecided in the last week, and an unusual last-minute swing by a large share of those undecided voters in one direction: Trump. There weren't enough polls in the last days to pick up this.

    Plus, there was an unprecedented correlation in 2016 between candidate choice and educational level, resulting in over/underestimation of support for Hillary/Trump. This was missed because political polling methodologies don't ordinarily weight by (ensure correct representation of) educational levels.
     
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    You're assuming here that rally turn-out and such is a gauge of popularity. Not every voter is impressed by or feels the need to participate in political events, and probably all the more so in these current times.

    Conversely, some wavering Trump voters or undecideds may be distinctly unimpressed by his reckless disregard for health and safety demonstrated by his superspreader events.
     
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    Crooked Hillary won the popular vote in California. In the rest of the nation, she lost the popular vote by 1.5%.

    Voters will change their minds from Biden to Trump once people realize the fascist wannabe JOE BIDEN is more Crooked than Crooked Hillary or they won't vote at all. Biden Inc and his drug addicted, prostitute loving shake down artist took China, Russia and Ukraine for millions and split it with Pops. You can't hide it anymore. Even Twitter had to relent and allow the New York Post story to be disseminated. If Biden has the courage to show up to the debate Trump will demand answers unlike the fascist American press who refuse to ask him about the worst political scandal in US history.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/trump-info-found-on-hunter-bidens-laptop-is-the-real-deal/
     
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    So you think stupid people caused Trump to win?

    Let me make one thing clear, not having a college degree doesn't mean you are stupid.
     
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    Pardon? Did I say that? No. And why are YOU jumping to the conclusion that an issue with education would necessarily apply to Trump voters? Do you think they're all stupid?

    As it happens, I'm in total agreement that a piece of paper, or lack thereof, means little. In fact there are plenty of highly-educated people who aren't necessarily what I would call intelligent, and of course vice versa.

    I was speaking in a purely non-judgmental and scientific way, because polling is actually a science.

    Bearing this in mind, the education factor came into play in two ways. Firstly, there's usually a matching curve of education level - a curve that's the same for republicans and democrats alike - and because the curves are the same, they balance each other out. In other words, there's (usually) no need to weight to ensure proper representation. In 2016, however, this natural balancing was thrown off because Trump captured a disproportionately large share of the non-college vote. As a result, a lot of this support wasn't captured by polls - basically flew under the radar - because, per the norm, many if not most pollsters weren't paying much attention to education. Hence, support for Trump for was underestimated.

    At the same time, people with lower educational levels are generally less likely to respond to polls. Again, this wouldn't usually be a problem as, ordinarily, it would apply to both sides alike. However, in 2016, the same people least likely to respond were also more likely to support Trump meaning that again, a notable measure of support wasn't captured and reflected in poll results.

    Presumably, lessons have been learned and they'll be more likely if not certain to weight by education.
     
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    We'll know one way or the other in two weeks.
     

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