The Woke Church is the Work of the Devil

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    Ten or fifteen years ago Rush Limbaugh made a comment that struck me as odd at the time. He made the point that when churches started adopting terms such as social justice and equality of outcome, people should not walk away, but run away from that church. His reasoning was that this was the beginning of that institution’s move away from the word of God and replacing it with the word of man. I didn’t understand it then, but I sure get it now.
    "By their fruits you will recognize them..." (Matt. 7:16)
     
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    This is absurd - Jesus was all about social justice - Equality of outcome is a different matter - no comment .. but obviously we have a conflation here .. Rushie - as his rants often do .. is assuming both - a demon in disguise..

    Social Justice is 1) not about equality of outcome in general - and certainly not necessarily 2) encompases a whole lot of other things.

    how one defines SJ is a whole other matter .. what is Rush saying is that churches should not adopt his idea of Social Justice .. which is a warped and torrid affair .. and do so in the name of "Jesus" ? I think not.

    Jesus would have a few things to say about Rush .. few of them pleasant ..

    The word of God - "the Logos" was replaced with the word of man long ago. - you need to get with the program - open your eyes and have a look at the history of the church "The Fruits" . and it is a rotten basket .. such as this scum bucket .. who you are conflating with our savior...

    The Church today would not be in such a state were it not rotten to the core -- in most places - albeit a few sancuaries ... of which you have yet to find.
     
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    I have found the one True Church that has been restored from the great apostacy. The reason the Bible is put together with the writings in it was so that in the latter-days or last days, it could be a time of restitution of all things or better known as the restoration of the Church. The Bible is the blueprint of God's true Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
    Now, to the concept of "Social Justice." Social Justice is better termed Socialism or Marxism. This is not what Jesus Christ taught. He taught that by living His Gospel it would set us free. Free from totalitarian rule that Social Justice implies. The Lord never integrated his teachings with Rome's Government. Or, for that matter, the Government of the Sanhedrin at the time or the government of the Jews. Jesus spoke to the individual's salvation and exaltation. Not the collective's. And, certainly not Rome's. Social Justice coming from Christian churches is the doctrine of man mingled with scripture. And, these people believe it's the secular Government that is in charge of redistribution of wealth. And, we know how that ends badly every time. Churches are to help the poor and the needy through tithing and offerings. If the government wants to help, fine. But it should do so without forced taxation.
     
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    Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.
    Jesus Christ
     
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    Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.
    Jesus Christ
     
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    Equality of outcome may not be 'social justice' to you, but that just means you're rational. Not everyone is... and there are plenty of 'SJW's who think a lack of equality of outcome equates to social injustice (and there's undoubtedly also people who know that's ridiculous, but would disingenuinely use the concept to manipulate the ignorant...).

    Can we agree that if a church were advocating for the achievement/enforcement of 'equality of outcome', then that would be a good reason to avoid that church?
     
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    So it is written .. So it shall be done .. The "Royal Law" - "Don't do to others what you hate - The rest is all commentary .. now go and Learn" Rabbi Hillel 110BC - 10AD .. teacher of HeyZeus ..

    Matt 7:12 - Do unto others "This rule Sums up the Law and the Prophets" Ya think this might ring a ding ding !? .. apparently not ?!

    James 2 - Brother of HeyZeus - "If you keep the Royal Law you are doing right" - Love neighbor as self - don't be like the foolish "Faith Alone" crowd ;)
     
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    The above political gibberish has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus .. and nothign to do with the downfall of the church .. you are mistaking a symptom of the disease for the cause.

    The Church as been on the forefront of denegrating essential liberty - religious right in particular - but also those of Puritain fundamentalism .. such as LDS..

    Been around town with a rattlesnake whip -- come on baby don't give me no lip - Who do ya love !

    I invite LDS in for tea when they come knocking .. Soon after they are desperate for the door .. caught in a contradictory trap of their own making. One time they came back with a "higher up" - .. soon he too was running for the exit .. desperate to avoid the "Bad Thought" that was of his own creation .. sure my name was recorded somewhere in in some book of the dead :)

    Separation of Church and State - This is what Jesus preached .. did you not get the memo .. Give to Ceasar what is his - and me what is mine.

    Time to tow the line - Ban on abortion is on the ballet - a referrendum - how does a Christian vote - one who believes the soul is in place at conception . Yes or No ?
     
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    Yes .. indeed this conflation goes both ways .. and I will criticize either side. No one using these terms "Social Justice" -- knows what they mean because everyone has a different definition. I many think I know what it means .. but I have no idea what the next person thinks when they are using this term.

    What happens is the political bandwagon will have their own set of semi coded meaning .. neither a rational discussion or representation of what Social Justice might actually look like ..

    Equality of Outcome ??? what a nonsensical nebulous term that could mean many things .. Equal Justice under the Law .. Thats better .. something specific ..

    So now we have a combination and conflation of two meaningless terms - followed by some conclusion that does not follow Non Sequitur .. masqurading as religious dogma ..

    This is an abomination.
     
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    What I wish for others to do for me is go get a job and stop begging when you are capable of working. I also would like to see the Democrat lead governments to stop enslaving their subjects with their fake welfare plans that keeps them from working and keeps them in poverty, drugs, alcohol, gangs and violence. Which is what Social Justice is all about, Marxism.
     
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    That was a bunch of schitzo writing. I'll try to respond if I think I understand any of your points. The Church supports the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to free speech, thought and to express our beliefs without being attacked by the government. So, I have no idea what's filling your head with liberty. Rattlesnake whip? Taking your meds on time?
    I have yet to see anything anyone has posted that would bother me nor cause me to believe I've contradicted myself. The only reason people leave your home is you are off your meds crazy like you wrote above.
    We agree on that we are subject to God and State separately meaning the State cannot interfere with my right to worship God the way I want to. It does not however keep me from expressing my voice against the State. The Bill of Rights do not protect the State. They protect the individual from the State.
    As for the individual spirit we are placed in our bodies, that is sometime before birth. There is no indication from the scriptures when that time exists.
    So, what contradiction do you think we teach that will cause me to want to leave the room?
     
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    Not Marxism, as such. Marxism is just a marketing device used to make it appeal to social misfits from the middle and upper classes (and boy .. doesn't it work well!). So they use that, plus the Disneyesque BS of 'compassion' to sell to the specific demographic. After all, that's the demographic with the most potential for independence, so they must be reined in.

    The actual goal is a greatly expanded underclass of dependent consumers. Life renters, all incapable of keeping themselves alive without 24/7 recourse to the fee-for-service infrastruture, and a need/desire to immediately spend every cent that comes in. If someone starts stockpiling (cash, land, gold, etc), they become a threat. With each small gain in material control of our circumstances, individuals gain independence and thus can't be as easily controlled.
     
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    I'm just waiting to see the Government begin regulating cryptocurrency. The Marxists can't have that!
     
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    Sorry, I know nothing about cryptocurrency.
     
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    It's the future. Amazon is already looking into letting people buy products with cryptocurrency like bitcoin. Corporations are tired of the regulations.
     

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