There is no greater force than an idea whose time as come.

It took you until now to get it?
Like I said, way above your head if you're just now gettin it. lol

 

He represents something much more important.
The will of the states and to your dissatisfaction, that means EVERY state determines the general election as every state is effected.
We know you would prefer liberal paradises like California to decide who the president is.
It will NEVER happen.

 

States are tracts of land, they don't vote.

 

Wow, did that just come to you in the middle of the night? Thats very good.

Now for the adults in the room who live in the REAL world, States do vote represented by its electors.
States have elections
States have laws
States have budgets
States get federal aid
States have attorneys

 

Any person on the planet can show up at a voter registration office in 48 out of 50 States, fill out an application to become a voter, check a box that IS NOT CHECKED, VERIFIED, OR CONFIRMED IN ANY WAY, and become a voter. It's a crime to do so, of course, but it's virtually impossible that they will ever face any scrutiny. They do not ask for a passport, birth certificate, DL, or any other form of ID, and even if the would be registeree looks like they're from China and only speaks Mandarin, nobody will ask any questions. So you can say it's not happening all you want, but that's bullshit, because it is so very easy to get away with, and nobody is EVER going to ask the question because it would be "racial profiling" or some other such PC nonsense to do so.

There is literally no way to know how many foreign nationals are registered to vote, or how many are actually voting because we're stupid and have enabled literally anyone to do so. Putting myself in the shoes of an illegal, I would certainly register to vote, and vote for mostly democratic candidates because they are promising people in "my" circumstances free food, shelter, and other things. And now they want to add free daycare, pre-K, and community college to the list. And next month/year/decade it will be more, and more, and more, and more.

So, the answer to how many illegals are voting is we don't know, and have no way TO know. But I suspect it's a fairly large number. The only way to solve that would be to pick a date relatively soon after either a midterm or Presidental election, invalidate the registrations of EVERYBODY, and require all of us to reregister, this time requiring proof of citizenship. But you guys don't want to do that, because it's as clear to you as it is to me that the more illegals are voting, the better it is for Democrats. And Party Uber Alles.

 

Uh no government prefers that because the seven sisters will put vastly more money in their pockets.one should note that's is not capitalism it is a species of oligarchy at best or fascism at worst.

 

Tracts of land occupied by varying number of people.

 

Maybe, but that is beyond the scope of this topic.
The farmers voice was the point, and the question was is it heard if they live in a state that votes for the opposition.

 

You're not getting it. Things aren't like they used to be.

It's becoming too easy for someone who doesn't win the popular vote to win the presidency.

Biden had 8 million more votes than Trump, but won the EC by a slim margin in key states. A few less votes, say he had only 7 million more than Trump. Trump could have won with a 7 million vote deficit. That isn't right.

What is happening is that the numbers dems have to win by to win the presidency, that number is getting bigger which means that the weight of a democrats vote is diminishing and the weight of a republican vote is increasing.

This is not just. We are headed for a disastrous state of affairs if this gets worse, and it seems like it is getting worse.

Any argument that says the designers of the EC designed it so the minority vote was supposed to win, that is absolutely false.

they expected the EC to agree with the popular vote. It wasn't until 1824 did Andrew Jackson win with a minority vote.

Hell, the fact that only five times in history did a candidate win with the minority vote proves that it was not their design to have the winner be the loser.

Placing checks on the 'tyranny of the majority' does not equal' 'they wanted the minority vote to win'.

That is a false statement.

Even if doing away with the EC isn't possible, we can do things to make the system more just, one of which which comes to mind is to Get rid of 'winner takes all' in those states that do. In other words, let wins be proportionate to their actual votes, that is fair.

I'm researching other proposals.

 

You misunderstood me completely.

I'm well aware of why things were the way they were, and my point didn't have anything to do with why things were they way they were.

 

So, win accord to the Constitution? Imagine that.

He ran up huge margins is a couple of Blue State. BFD.

So what? How many times to I have to say the "popular vote" is a red herring; it has no legal or Constitutional meaning.

Nonsense.

No, it's not.

Again, interesting but not pertinent.

Nor has anyone argued that way.

Have fun

ETA: Biden won California by 5 million and New York by 3 million - there's your entire Biden margin (in round numbers In 2016 Clinton's margin in the "popular vote" comprised a littler more than her margin in California.

 

That would be great. I would especially like license plates that don't say what state you're from. I could also do without state taxes. M states rights means being backward and stupid. And bigoted.

 

Fair enough I didn't expect an honest response anyway I mean look who I'm talking to

 

A Republic of course is simply a representational democracy, missinformed one.

 

I am in favor of a popular vote instead because then they would have to campaign in every state instead of just five or six.

 

The EC was designed to allay the fears of the small states who didn't want to e dominated by the larg sdatates. Wey wouldn't have a country today without it. It serves the same purpose today. The Democrats ought to burden their appeal to more than the costal elites.

 

If they have a congressmen living in their district who isn't a Democrat or a Neocon they have a fighting chance, otherwise they're screwed. It an odd thing. Most rank and file Democrats hate corporations, but the Party leadership has stayed I've by extorting big donations from corporations for years while simultaneous bad mouthing them left and right. This is especially true of the Biden Clinton wing of the Democrat party. Note, the previously mentioned neocons are no better in that regard and both if them have spent most of the last few dozen years shaft small businesses left right and center, and that not racist dog whistles is why Trump got elected in 2016.

 

Oh right, complete with patronizing tone, what must I say to you, professor?

First, nothing in your link contradicts any point I'm about to make.

Perhaps you didn't get the memo that liberal democracy, western democracy, constitutional republic, representational democracy, these are not mutually exclusive terms.

yes, we do know that a democracy consists of two types, a direct democracy, and an indirect ( or representative democracy ).

Noting that neither have anything to do with how the president is elected but how laws are created.

A direct democracy laws are voted on by the electorate. An indirect democracy, or a representative democracy ( same thing ) we elect representatives to create laws for us.

Generally speaking, when we speak of a 'republic', we are thinking 'representative democracy held together by a constitution', but not necessarily, the term is actually broader.

A 'republic' is a broad term, it means a government of appointed, or elected leaders, as opposed to a monarchy.

From there, you have to qualify it more.

It is a Calvinist Republic?

Is it an Islamic Republic?

Is it a Socialist Republic?

Is it a Constitutional Republic, representative democracy?

A few on this forum have been asserting that America is not a Democracy. They base this contention on a quote by Madison, which makes the distinction between a republic and a democracy.

I'm sorry to inform you but the term has a long history preceding Madison, and it's meaning is actually broader than how Madison used it, Madison was making the distinction between a Republic and a direct democracy, he wasn't defining Republic 'as opposed to a democracy', per se, because the what the term "Reublic" denotes is a government of other appointed or elected leaders, or a combination of both. America, along with the 50 or so western nations, are known as 'liberal democracies' or 'western democracies, which is to say, terms like 'constitutional republic, liberal democracy, western democracy, representative democracy' are not mutually exclusive terms and pretty much mean the same thing.

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The point being (that you just overlooked) is you will NEVER EVER get ANY state (other than California or maybe New York), to EVER vote to get rid of the EC. As NOBODY wants to be ruled by the majority. This is a Republic with a constitution that guarantees states rights and no taxation without representation.

End of story

 

And it wouldn't make a difference as long as California and New York were voting.

 

One that isn't hopeless.

 

If it’s one person, one vote how would you protect the monied interest? Would the current campaign finance system and ownership of the airwaves still do the trick?

 

States do none of this, PEOPLE do this.

 

Want more votes, get more people to live there.