There is no right to have an abortion .. part 2

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Fugazi, May 7, 2016.

  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IF

    IF

    Why can't you read.

    When you read the word If, it is a condition.

    Nobody accused you of a thing.

    You were not living when I was in high school ***For you to claim I am wrong proves you are just ignorant.
     
  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your ignorance is palpable.

    Why don't you even attempt to educate yourself regarding the FACTS and REALITY?

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db89.pdf

    Since the rate in 2010 was LOWER than it was in the 1950's that means that teenagers were having sex and getting pregnant and ABSTINENCE education was FAILING when you were in high school.

    Why are you so allergic to FACTS?
     
  3. Keynes

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    For thirty years scientists have been working on a process called ectogenesis - a process that would remove the fetus from the womb, place it in an artificial uterus and grow it to term. We are ten, maybe twenty years away from making this a reality. In the name of everything that is holy, why are we not funding this? The simple answer is: it's more fun to complain. Politicians on both sides of the aisle and the issue of abortion can make lengthy careers out of swearing to defend one side (the right to life or a woman's right to choose), making a few useless votes and then if they are held accountable simply say, "Well, it's not me...it's THEM! Send me back to congress and I'll straighten them out!" It's a war that can always be fought but never won. Moreover, if it were ever to be won, many people on both sides would be in a world of hurt because, then what would they complain about? It's like sweeping a dirt floor - if someone was going to pay you a hundred dollars an hour to sweep a dirt floor, how willing would you be to point out to them it was never going to get done?
     
  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BZZZT wrong yet again!

    The FACTS prove you WRONG!

    More teenagers were having sex and becoming pregnant when you were in high school than in 2010.

    Your IGNORANCE of those FACTS is your problem.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you are trying to say is how superior you are.

    No really, this is your message to me. I expect the Democrats to talk just like that.

    The chart you came up with shows a decline today from our days. I now admit that. But even back then, in a school of 4,000 your figures claim over 300 of the local school girls were pregnant.

    Now, maybe in the democrats school that is true. But not where I enjoyed high school. That number is so high, we all would have talked about the girls either spotted pregnant or dropping out of school.

    I recall the classes very well. I recall for instance the blonde girl that sat in front of me in the Spanish language class. Suddenly she did not show up at school. We were later told by the teacher the girl was extremely ill. Turns out she had a form of cancer and died during the school year.

    I am telling you people what I experienced. We had so few blacks that maybe your graph is more accurate about black students. Even the Mexican girls did not show up pregnant that I was able to notice.

    I wonder with the millions of abortions, how you claim your form of education on sex actually works?
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You too lack comprehension to the point you need to have the word IF explained to you.

    Ask Fox, maybe by this time he looked up the word.

    I believe that right this moment, that more of the girls get abortions. Do you agree on that?

    Your chart only talks of birth rate. It is not about abortion.

    How can you deny millions of abortions?
     
  7. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So you choose to hide behind your racism and bigotry because you cannot handle the FACTS and REALITY.

    Why am I not in the least bit surprised?

    Thanks for DISQUALIFYING yourself from any further meaningful participation on this topic.
     
  8. RandomObserver

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    Your experience proves that boys and girls are very interested in sex (not a big surprise). Don't you agree that it would be stupid to let them go about with those urges WITHOUT comprehensive sex education? Parents are not providing comprehensive sex education, so that leaves the responsibility to the teachers.

    As far as your examples of teachers having sex with students... We all agree that is wrong, but it is rare, and it does not justify closing down the schools. Kids with better sex education would be more likely to recognize that they were being manipulated and abused, so they would be more likely to report sexual abuse. I do not have numbers for this, but just based on memory it seems like most teachers who sexually abuse students are physical education teachers... so by your logic we should abolish physical education... NOT sex education.
     
  9. Robert

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    You disqualified yourself and now try to blame me.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some poster came up with a graph showing birthrates have fallen.

    Doh ...

    With all the abortions, how could birth rates increase?

    For what it is worth, so far as I can tell, teaching sex to the children has done wonders for the abortion industry.

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    By the way, when discussing sex education, calling a poster a bigot or a racist does the Democrats no good at all. They can try to claim we all must be educated in many things but it does not make them right.

    It is just their opinion.
     
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    See, you state something as if it was a fact and then will howl when you're proven wrong.

    I was born in the years you went to high school..... now you'll claim you never really said that I wasn't even though you stated it clearly in your post...

    The dishonesty is appalling....
     
  12. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not at all. I will never emulate how you post.

    You plain disgust me.
     
  13. OKgrannie

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    Girls didn't walk around in school with an advanced pregnancy in those days, they would have been asked to leave. It was shameful to be pregnant and unmarried in those days, so the solutions were: 1. shotgun wedding, very common, 2. a visit to auntie or grandma or an unwed mothers' home, babies were generally given up for adoption or reared by another family member, 3. abortion, surprisingly enough to many anti-choicers, abortion was just as common in those days as it is now and it meant a girl could continue in school without social stigma.
     
  14. Robert

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    Nobody thus far has proven that in those days, abortion was as common as it is today. Today there are millions of abortions.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-she...LsFpiFAuSCUX4mGQQvCSyjDKYVjmptE0lgaAmqS8P8HAQ
     
  15. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My experience at the huge high school was that one pal of mine got married due to him impregnating his girlfriend.

    However, he was the only boy I knew that did so.
     
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    Teen birth rates have certainly fallen, but abstinence training in 1950 was clearly not effective across the board. Since there was no sex education back then, it probably had a lot to do with which rumors happened to crop up. Maybe at your school there were no myths that led your peers to think it was safe to experiment, but the statistics suggest there were a lot of schools where the myths won, and girls got pregnant as a result.

    There was no sex education in my high school when I attended in the 1970's. There were a couple of girls in my graduating class who were clearly pregnant. The pill had nothing to do with it (in fact it would have PREVENTED the pregnancy). They just did not realize how easy it was to get pregnant (even if it is your first time).

    Teaching COMPREHENSIVE sex education would have avoided a lot of teen pregnancies AND teen abortions over the years.
     
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    :) I will wear that as a badge of honor....:)
     
  18. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I wear your hate as a badge of honor.
     
  19. FoxHastings

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    What hate?....see, there you again, saying something that just isn't true.....have you ever said anything truthful?


    And you're , once again , off topic......
     
  20. Robert

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    See, you knew of 2 girls in your graduating class and I knew of none.

    As large as the school was, and as much walking as we all had to do from class to class, it seems very likely I would have noticed some of the girls. That and boys talked about things like that.

    Sure we all know girls did get pregnant, but holy cow, the birth rate may be down today but there are at least a million aborted children put to death per year. I believe that well above 80 million kids thus far have died in the abortion rooms.

    For a society to be so well schooled on sex to suffer so many abortions is why this topic is still discussed today. At times it gets heated in fact.

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    Well, you get called lying Fox for a very good reason.
     
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    Society, in general, is more open about sex but in many areas of the country people still resist comprehensive sex education for kids in school. It is not enough to know how intercourse works (they will learn that from their peers). They need honest education about the options, the risks, and the psychology surrounding it. Most school districts still DO NOT have comprehensive sex education.

    Reference: http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=1193
    This article includes evaluations of the programs that were available in 2007:
     
  22. Robert

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    To be frank, that sounds excellent to me.
     
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    There are ways of estimating quite accurately how many abortions took place. For instance, when you know the percentage of illegal abortions that result in complications requiring medical treatment, you can calculate from that the total number of abortions which took place. Medical records did show how many women were treated for complications and how many women died, but of course those reported numbers were likely lower than the actual number. And those estimations show that about a million abortions per year took place.

    You need to give up your enthusiasm for "the good old days", I was around then also, and things were not as rosy as you portray. You are hiding your head in the sand about the number of abortions, the number of pregnancies, and the grief that was caused by unwanted pregnancy.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/abortion-in-american-history/376851/
    Nonetheless, having achieved their legal goal, many doctors -- including prominent members of the AMA -- went right on providing abortions. Some late-nineteenth-century observers estimated that two million were performed annually (which would mean that in Victorian America the number of abortions per capita was seven or eight times as high as it is today). Reagan argues persuasively that our image of nineteenth-century medicine is too monolithically hierarchical: while medical journals inveighed against abortion (and contraception), women were often able to make doctors listen to their needs and even lower their fees.
     
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    Me too, and that is why I believe comprehensive sex education (in all districts) would reduce teen pregnancies and abortions even further.
     
  25. Robert

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    Yup, that's me. Rosy view. Good old days.

    Sure is me.
     

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