There is no such thing as Freedom of Religion

So you don't have any real experience to be basing such claims on. I thought so.

 

So you can't back up your claims. We already know that; no need to keep confirming that, once is enough.

 

Not claims facts. You have claimed that our justice system is based on forgiveness and mercy. You cannot support your claim and that is a fact. Sorry that questioning your obviously silly statement causes you angst but perhaps since you cannot justify your statement you should rethink.

This might help you thinking.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/cf/faculty/sbibas/workingpapers/4OhioStJCrimL329(2007).pdf

 

No. I'm saying those with a strong Christian base have a more just legal system.

 

Moving the goalposts now?

Your original statement;

Half your allegation was debunked without you acknowledging that fact.

Shall we debunk the rest of it too?

First let's look at the how legal systems are rated by nations.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-justice-project-aims-promote-good-governance

And pull up a chart ranking the least religious nations in the world.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-religious-countries-in-the-world/

So what does that tell us?

Of the top 10 nations ranked as having the best Rule of Law 8 of them are listed as the LEAST religious nations in the world!

Since the USA is only ranked 19th in having the Best Rule of Law amongst the top 20 nations ranked as having the best Rule of Law 13 of those nations are listed as the LEAST religious nations in the world!

There is obviously zero factual basis for your now thoroughly debunked allegation.

 

All I said was that without a justice system people will be taking matters into their own hands.

 

No. I thought "religion" was specifically referring to Christianity.

they weren't always like that. that's why I said "strong religious base." The countries you listed all had a Christian foundation at some point and that what gave us our modern justice system.

 

BZZZT Wrong!

China, Japan, Hong Kong and Israel never had a "Christian foundation" at any point at all. They were colonized but never established as a "strong religious base" or "foundation" as you allege.

 

China is a communism dictatorship, after WW2 Christian missionaries flooded Japan giving it our western values, Hong Kong if I remember correctly is a British colony and the Brits influenced it with its western values based on Christianity, and Israel was also a British colony and Judaism is very similar to Christianity.

 

Only 2.3% of Japan is Christian so obviously those missionaries that "flooded Japan" did a lousy job.

Prevarication on your part does not substantiate your bogus allegation.

 

Of course religion allows freedom of belief. Like the strawman you built though.

 

By choice. There is nothing in most Western religions that is forced captivity. It's totally voluntary.

 

And most non-religious people were raised in a religion..... So, of course, there is such thing as freedom of religion. If there weren't, the number of non-religious would never grow. Like the strawman, though.

 

That's a freedom of non-religion.

 

Nope!

The biblical god forbids "freedom of belief" and demands that only he be worshipped.

 

It wasn't that long ago that he Catholics and Protestants were still killing each other in Ireland.

 

My point wasnt to prove that magority of western nations have a large Christian base. My point is that western nations at some point based their values on Christianity.

 

Are you kidding. Join we Mormons and see how it is done by our church.

 

I will get off topic as you did. When I took off from Frankfurt, Germany in 1964, we did land at Prestwick Scotland for refueling. Then on to Newfoundland for more fuel. By the way, Germany was snow and ice. Scotland was green. Newfoundland had a different climate and was extremely snow and ice covered. I guess the religion there was lousy.

 

Moving the goalposts YET AGAIN?

You have failed miserably to substantiate this allegation of yours;

 

Utterly asinine non sequitur!

 

Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with Confucianism and Confucious.

 

There is no Freedom of Religion the government picks and chooses a lot of things about religion if someone wants to start a church and get tax protections and freedom to practice and zoning for the building the government can deny it. Lets say I wanted to start a Church of Sin with a belief one should honor some pagan fertility and sex goddess say Pan and have weekly sex orgies for donations and run the church as a place to come for sexual rites in private for money with sacred nymphs you can damn well be dead on it would be blocked even if the faith is clearly serious. And I couldn't claim protections for the sex for donations offered thing and openly advertise orgies to the community.

The government shouldn't be able to pick and choose if a faith is serious or not it should consider all religions equal and not interfere if they want to practice as they wish to be truly freedom neutral barring dangerous or otherwise highly illegal activities that hurt others such as human sacrifice or some cult that believes in rape.

 

The overarching problem with religion is its an organized cult, all religions.

Very little about religion can be verified by modern-day science, like in the Bible. Science can easily kill the creationism argument, for example. And this is a agnostic saying this. Freedom of Religion has caused more conflicts than it has peace.

 

Moving the goalposts again?