They all raised their hands, but PolitiFact gives ‘mostly false’ rating

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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Except that we all know that the Dem candidates were not referring to ER visits.
     
  2. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    And there's the race card. I'm surprised it took till post 6 for it to come out.

    Just an FYI FlamingLib but brown people can be Christian also....Religion is not a race based ideology.
     
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    That's their choice.. if everyone gave time and money to the causes they claim to cate about things would be different, but Americans are selfish and only sacrifice for things they really care about. Most people only care about themselves so thats what they sacrifice for.
     
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    You didn’t answer the question and your rant was unhelpful.

    Feel free to try again

    As an aside, I agree that our healthcare system in this country is disgusting — we have some of the highest instance of medical errors and pay the most only to endure what you mentioned above. We need a fix. What we have now is not working.
     
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    I'd like to present you with some quotes from the politifact article you are attacking but obviously never read:

    ""All the Democrats on the entire stage — every Democratic candidate said they want to give free health care to illegals," Gruters said"

    "asked a group of candidates to "raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.""

    "All candidates on stage raised their hands. They weren’t all the candidates, because the first presidential debate was split into two nights."

    "The candidates were not asked if that coverage would be free. Guthrie then asked two candidates — Buttigieg and Biden — to comment. Neither one said they would give "free" health care to undocumented immigrants."

    "Buttigieg, Bennet and Yang said undocumented immigrants would have the option to buy coverage through a public option, the insurance marketplace, or Medicare for All, respectively."

    "Gruters said, "All the Democrats on the entire stage — every Democratic candidate said they want to give free health care to illegals."

    The question from the debate moderator did not specify if coverage for undocumented immigrants would be free. Two candidates who elaborated on their responses — Biden and Buttigieg — said these immigrants would be eligible to buy into their system.

    We rate this statement Mostly False."
     
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    Worse they would have the hospitals call ICE

    Talk about setting the scene for an epidemic.
     
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    They should call ICE. Its called reporting crime. It's not a bad thing to kick illegals out.. no matter how much you want to paint it as hateful it's not.. it's called the rule of law..
     
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    Not a single person has ever said they want people to die in the street.

    What we do say is stop illegal immigration and deport them as we find them and let their own country pay for them.
    Its insane to allow them to run over the border and we give them everything for free.

    Lets not forget the democrats that want OPEN borders and to eliminate ice and border patrol
     
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    Insanity is what progressives do best.

    After all gender is not real.
     
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    There are insane people on both sides of the fence. For every democrat that wants open borders there is at least one republican that supports a civil or holy war.
     
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    Gender is real — it just doesn’t have the definition that the right tries to mandate.

    Kind of like marriage and bodily autonomy...
     
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    OK, we both know we're not going to deport millions of people. That's just not going to happen. So what do we do with the 15 million or so who are living here illegally? Are hospitals expected to do immigration status checks before they administer life-saving care? That's absurd, right? Of course it is. Hospitals will continue to treat everyone regardless of immigration status, and we're going to continue to spend money on people here illegally (i.e., "free health for illegals, oh noes!!1!!1")
     
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    What's absurd about deporting illegals..

    You do realize it is agsinst federal law to allow immigrants who are likely to become dependent on the government within 2 years? It's been illegal since the 1880s.

    Yes federal law is designed to discriminate against poor people. And that's not a bad thing.
     
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    Tulsi did not raise her hand.

    So when someone cant get that right you can't trust them.

    So many lies and deception these days. Is it intentional or what
     
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    what do they get for free, are you talking about their American born children?
     
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    never said it was not their choice, just pointing out the flaw in your logic, and I agree with you, in a perfect world that would happen, this is not that perfect world
     
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    I agree this is not a perfect world. That doesn't mean government should pick up the slack when charity fails.
     
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    Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare
    https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/

    Cutting welfare to illegal aliens would pay for Trump’s wall
    https://nypost.com/2018/03/10/cutting-welfare-to-illegal-aliens-would-pay-for-trumps-wall/

    Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/
     
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    I work all day with cops, firefighters, and EMT's and they are there just in case. If your wife works in an Emergency room with no police or security protection nearby, she should ask why or change professions. Bad things can and do happen in that environment.
     
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    Fact checking sites are targeted at low information types too lazy or stupid to do their own research, let alone keep up with what is going on.
     
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    First of all, we cut off everything for free, secondly we stop them from being employed by placing huge fines on employers caught having illegal labor.
    We deport them all as they leave jail or prison.
    More importanly we stop daca, no more born here citizen, must be born of legal citizens. We make it UNATTRACTIVE to come here, then we secure the border.

    This is has got to stop, we have americans with no mental health care, millions of homeless and we have fricken sanctuaries for illegal immigrants and that includes many crimimals like m13, all the money we spend on illegals should go to our homeless, mentally ill and veterans.
    DEMOCRAT priorities are toilet bowl worthy
     
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    A local cop doesn't have the authority to enter into matters of the INS.
     
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    The question for me is why don't we deport them?

    I wonder if liberals will applaud when their local hospital goes bankrupt from providing care to illegals. The end game for liberals is to turn America into a 3rd World country.
    https://nypost.com/2016/07/12/how-sanctuary-hospitals-cost-america-big/
     
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    Wait . . . you are pissed that they rated the statement as false because you think it isn't false as long as you remove the primary adjective of the claim? That's cute.
     
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    I am not a republican, but I am a conservative independent.

    Let the illegals continue to use the emergency room.

    You know if we give Medicare for all to the illegals, we will get stuck picking up the tab for many things that you can’t get in an emergency room visit.

    When liberal judges say, we need to pay for sex change operations for prisoners serving life for murder, there is no doubt that we will be footing the bill for any illegal transgender who wants a sex change.
     
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