They're starting them young

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  1. Robert E Allen

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    Most of the Deists, which was only popular in liberal universities were Christians Deists. Aka people who believed there was God and that God was a God of christian values.

    The Magna Carta by the way , wanna talk about how Christianity influenced it too?
    Like it did everything else in western culture?

    You owe your freedom of religion to religious people, that's all there is to it!

    You're welcome.
     
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    Thank you for clearly establishing that you do not know the meaning of the terms secular or secularism.
     
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    Thank you for not realizing how secularism is being used to create laws against religious people. Gleefully on the part of those doing it.
     
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    Wrong!

    If was up to the conservatives of the time you would still be singing God Save the Queen.

    You owe your freedom to LIBERALS who threw off the shackles of religion.

    The Founding Fathers were those LIBERALS in the MODERN sense of the term.
     
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    Name these imaginary laws of yours.
     
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    I think I might have to agree with this statement. It was such a big influence, that they were influenced to ensure that Christianity has no part or power over the civil government, nor over other religions, or lack thereof.
     
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    :roflol:

    :applause:
     
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    If you want to go that route, then Newspeak is also trying to say words only have one meaning and application when they have many. As noted, language evolves. This is fact. Words that once meant one thing, such as festive and joyful, now mean something else, such a homosexual. Do the original meanings go away? No, but those original meanings do fall out of common use. Right now you are, to make a parallel, fighting to keep "gay" meaning festive and joyful, while the rest of the world is shifting to using it to mean homosexual (as a slur).

    Right now, we are in the midst of the shift. Lingual shift doesn't happen overnight. We have learned the sex and gender are separate things, and while they match for most people, that match is not universal. The language is still shifting itself out. So right now many are using the terms "male" and "female" to apply to both sex and gender, but in different context. So one can have a female sex, but a male gender.

    Gender is not a mood. It is who and what you are, a part of the overall sense of self, separate from the body you have. Again, the vast majority of people will have a body that matches that sense of self, just like the vast majority of people will be right handed or straight.
     
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    At the risk of confusing the Sex/Gender issue there is also the aspect of Attraction. For straight people the Attraction is usually the opposite Sex whereas for homosexuals the attraction is for the same Sex. (For the sake of this discussion Bisexuals are excluded.)

    Homosexuals are NOT Trans and should not be confused with them.

    Pre treatment Trans people are often Attracted to the same physical Sex because their Gender is the opposite Sex. After undergoing treatment and/or surgery they are then Attracted to what becomes the opposite Sex because their Gender now aligns with their altered Sex.
     
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    It gets worse than that. Attraction can be based upon the body or the perception. Or maybe we can even go so far as to say, either sex or gender. I know people who are only attracted to a certain gender, regardless of what is between the legs.
     
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    If ones religion doesn't agree parents won't support the last part at all and I will note it will be hard on a child but that is just realty as it is.
     
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    The Founding Fathers had the foresight to EXCLUDE religion from the government of We the People.

    Given that religious dogma is a mind altering substance why not just pass legislation that stipulates that no one under the age of 21 should be exposed to it just as we do for alcohol and cigarettes?

    Once they reach adulthood they are free to choose whatever religion they want.
     
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    I'm not interested in semantics.
     
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    Because dogma is not limited to religion. There is a reason the term Evangelical Atheist was created. How far do you take it? Do we go down the path of anything that is presented with religious fervor, regardless of whether it's religious or not?
     
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    You can hide behind your semantics claim, but it doesn't negate the reality of our changing knowledge and the resultant changing of language.
     
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    It's impossible to talk to you. If it makes you feel better to say I'm hiding than tell yourself that.

    If you can't understand the language I'm using there is nothing to talk about.
     
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    Who knew that passing laws to protect children from harm is now "evangelism"?

    Yes, all dogma is wrong because it is the antithesis of critical thinking irrespective of the subject matter.

    If we raised all children to be critical thinkers a great many of the problems we face today would not exist because they would never get beyond the conceptual stage.
     
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    I understand the language you are using, as much as if you were using your thee's and thou's. You are just refusing to understand that the language has gone beyond what it was and clinging to the past.
     
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    Really bad parenting, the child's best interests are not taken to heart.

    They should raise the child normally then just support the decisions/path the child takes.
     
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    Do you realize how subjective best interests and normally are? At one point raising them normally meant arranging a marriage and preparing them to be parents by their mid to late teens. The idea that they would marry for love was an abnormal idea. Putting babies of both sexes in dresses was absolutely normal, and heaven forbid you dress your little girl in pink because that was a boy's color.
     
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    Hahaha so you're ok with and defending these parents making their 4 year old boy feel like he's a girl?

    Transsexuals are RARE. I don't know the actual stats but their is only a tiny chance that the boy is a transsexual. There is a huge chance he's not and has been brainwashed by his parents. Also 4 years old is too young to be pushing this on a child and all the problems that comes with it. In the video he's stressing over having to go to the toilet in school I bet it's one of many things that this child has to deal with.

    Just let him be a child and find his own path.
    This goes beyond dressing a boy in "pink" . It's really hurtful and damaging what the parents are doing.

    I for one do not support child abuse so I am against it, defend it all you want but it's wrong.
     
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    Just because you want it to doesn't mean it has.
     
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    Just because you don't want it to doesn't mean it hasn't.
     
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    Agree completely not having been means it hasn't.
     
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    I'm trying to figure out what video you watched, because it wasn't the one in the OP. They tried to force the child to be a boy, even to the point of spanking whenever she claimed she was a girl. Exactly how is that supposed to brainwash her into being a girl. She said herself she was very happy when they allowed her to finally be herself.

    You said, "Just let him be a child and find his own path.", yet you would deny that path if it were to be as a girl. Her parents finally relented and let her find her own path.

    I'm trying to find the actual abuse going on here. Seems to me the abuse has finally ended, at least by her family. From the school and classmates....not so much.

    Now I will go on record and say, that once (s)he hit 10 or so they need to go into therapy. There are things that on the surface can seem to be transgenderism, but are not. And nothing more than hormone blockers should be allowed, especially not surgery. These are steps that need to wait until they are an adult. But as far as presenting as their gender, there is neither harm nor abuse.
     

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