This is what I don't get about the anti-gay crowd

You made my day.

 

Actually, let's look at your signature, Serfin'.
"Trying to reason with conservatives on gay rights today is like how trying to reason with them on integration was in the '60s."
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Now I realize that you may be an unknowing victim of what the far left tells you, but at any rate, it is a misconception that Republicans favored keeping blacks down and Democrats were the party who wanted to help blacks. Here are two significant pieces of evidence that Republicans have been equally and have been MORE supportive of blacks than Democrats have:

--Did you know that the Democratic party was the real source of the Ku Klux Klan? Here are two sources:

"http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYKKKKTerroristArmoftheDemocratParty&page_id=93&tp_preview=true

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_the_democratic_party_associated_with_the_KKK
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And did you know that since 1933, the Repubs have had a more positive voting record toward civil right than Democrats. Here is a quote from the following source and another source following that one:

"As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes."

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/13/194350.shtml

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1300/who-opposed-civil-rights-act-1964"


Not a nice signature serf.

 

I think you need to meet more people.

 

Ex... I'm aware of all that, and the reason why my signature is still relevant is because Democrats were social conservatives when they ruled the South.

Over time, the parties have changed. The regions of the country haven't changed much, in terms of political leanings.

The South has always been more socially conservative, so the Democrats had to be socially conservative to retain their power there. By contrast, Republicans were primarily a Northern and West Coast party back during the Civil Rights Act. They were comparatively liberal on social policies.

All of this changed by the 70s, as the Democrats became more liberal and the Republicans became more conservative. Nowadays, Republicans are gaining power in the South because of their conservatism, while Democrats are gaining power in urban areas primarily in the North and the West Coast.

So yes, social liberalism is what pushes for equality. Party isn't what matters -- political leanings are.

 

I don't have a problem with gay people -- i have a problem with normalizing mental illness. And it's gone from gays to mental illnesses farther afield such as "adult babies", transexuals, poligamists, swingers, and so on. The natural order of a sexual relationship is Adult male and Adult female, the rest is disordered. Given that most of these people can live a relatively normal life outside of the sexual aspect, I don't "hate gays", however, I don't think we're doing them any favors by pretending that male-male sex is a normal natural desire.

 

Would you consider it a "disorder" to fetishize breasts?

 

I don't see any evidence for this.

 

The gay pinguins of the Zoo of Madrid will be parents

And what is your opinion of female-female? And why is not a natural desire? As you can see in the news that I am referencing. It is natural, even the animals can be gay.

 

No, that can't be it. Otherwise they'd be happy with the civil union offers that have been coming from both sides of the isle which offer all the same fiscal rights as marriage along with hospital visitation and so on. Clearly they want the word marriage.

I think the reason for wanting it is the indistinguishability and implied equivalence and acceptance that provides. I expect laws would shortly follow that make the equivalence and acceptance explicit legal requirements as opposed to just being implied. Actually I doubt laws would be needed, there are probably already laws on the books ruling that you can't discriminate between different sorts of marriages, and once they get the word those laws would simply apply to gay marriage.

 

I'm sure you don't need to be reminded that feeling and DOING are two different things, right? Where's the outrage, dude?

I don't understand how y'all can get so wound up about gay marriage when other gays are being tortured and murdered TODAY.. not back in biblical times. It'd be a good idea to use some of that passion to help them instead of worrying so much about yourselves.

It's tacky.

 

Exactly. What do you think it'll be after gay marriage? The next big thing, I mean. Maternity benefits? Natl Gay Day?

 

Probably not that.

Gay history month? Yes.

 

I doubt you have known any gay people at all. If you had, you would not be saying such horrid things about them.

 

No I do not. I do not want them to have special rights, rights above and beyond other people. I simply do not want christians to be able to impose their beliefs on others.

You are trying twist things around here and you are failing miserably.

 

"You"? Buddy I'm straight. And your constitution states that all men are created equal. It not not except any specific group.

 

None of which matters. A certain demographic of your society is imposing it's will on another. Being gay and having the ability to marry has no impact upon anyone other than the pair marrying. Let god deal with the consequences - stop trying to second guess god, I'm sure he's more than capable of dealing with the gays himself.... if god exists and if he has such a problem with gays marrying.

 

I believe when slavery was being discussed, someone who opposed it said:

"Exactly. What do you think it'll be after we set the blacks free? The next big thing, I mean. An end to segregation? Voting rights? A black President?".

True story.

 

You don't understand the Constitution, for it already is written with everybody's individual freedoms in mind. Gays are free to frolic all over America.

the laws for marriage are the way they are to prevent the degredation of this sacred union.

so NO, You Gays can't tranish this sacred union. sorry. end of story.

 

Common Sense doesn't require a link.

 

*Sings national anthem to himself*

That patriotic speach brought a tear to my eye.

You do know however that the gays will get their rights in the end? You're going to have to deal with that, in the same way the KKK did over the US race segregation.

And I'm laughing in your face over it.

 

I agree, for a time the gays will have their Utopia, due to the ignorance of the masses. but ultimately you'll lose

 

Anti gay is mindless bigtory.

Which this forum excels at and the major reason why it is popular and i add, entertaining. Like watching a drown rat float away in a gutter.

 

Outrageous claims do.

Since you refuse to provide evidence I mark you for what you are: a liar.

 

Just like the blacks eh?

 

I'm realizing something, and I'll apologize to you Leffe because I'm seeing a pattern here. In the US when snipes want to make fun of gays they will say "the gays" or "teh gehz", etc. They also say "the blacks"...its humorous at a 5th grade level. You keep saying it "the gays", "the blacks" and I have a knee jerk reaction to it. It's just "gays" or "blacks".

I realize you don't want to demean these groups. Just an FYI.