This is why I don’t trust the voting rights bill.

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  1. Joe knows

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    How would that look?

    Would self-employed business owners qualify?
    What about school employees that don't work Summers?
    What about a person that does contract work?
    What about a person that does temporary assignments, but have been with agency for X years?
    What about people that are "pending hires" at the time their employment status is being documented?
    What about people reaching the age of majority but not working because they are in college?
    What about people reaching the age of majority but not working full-time because they are in college?
    What about people reaching the age of majority but work as temps because they are in college?
    What about people reaching the age of majority but not working regularly because they are in college?
    What about people reaching the age of majority but not working because they are from wealthy families?
    What about people not working because they have mental or physical disabilities (prior to retirement age)?
    What about people not working because they have mental or physical disabilities (and don't collect disability)?
    What about people not working because they have mental or physical disabilities (and get disability)?
    What about people that take *any* job so they can vote and then quit once they vote?

    And, how would any of these stipulations be legal relative to our voting and discrimination laws?
    That's not legal either.
    People aren't voting for free money, they are voting for fair (or as close to it as this backwards country can get) representation.
    People didn't vote for Biden, they fired Trump.

    The only reason you believe that is because that's what your party spews with their hateful bile that excludes everybody except them and those that look, love and worship like them.

    I agree it's not fair that somebody can freeload off our paychecks, but I also believe that it's not fair that that money is taken from most people's paychecks while some of those people are devalued in our society. If we think they are worthless scum, criminal breeders and we don't want them to have the right to vote, we don't have the right to take taxes from their income either.

    The "them" Trump is terrifying white people with shouldn't only be "counted" when you want them to vote the way you want them to. I don't have to ask you how you would feel if someone told you that you are too stupid, ignorant, uninformed and don't matter so you can't exercise your right to vote. I'm positive that you wouldn't be cool with that, but, because there are many people that think the way you think, you believe your position has merit. It doesn't. Those that agree with you are also in that echo chamber.

    And, if nobody has the right to demand you wear a mask, socially distance and act responsibly to help our country stop the COVID wave or force you to get vaccinated, what right do you think you have to remove those exact same rights from people you don't want voting?

    Spoiler alert: You don't.
     
  3. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    The constitution protects against discriminatory acts. We don’t need an opinion of the active administration outside of the constitution. Acting on behalf of the court system is not within their constitutional authority anyway.
     
  4. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Voters who vote by mail are lazy? Not at all. I don't know about you, but where I live I have to go to the post office to mail my letters. So, going to the post office or going out to vote both require me to go out of the house and drive somewhere. I think only the rich neighborhoods have ballot drop-off boxes within walking distance of their front door. So, yeah, we're not lazy.

    P.S. Where I'm from no excuse for mail-in voting was put on the ballot and failed to pass. The people of my district rejected it, so that's it. There won't be any no-excuse mail-in voting where I live. Although I support it, it's over. The people decided and made their choice. I just have to accept it.
     
  5. Sirius Black

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    Your first quote clearly states that you want to make it more difficult for government employees to vote.
    Your second quote is a violation of the XIV Amendment
    Didn't those that got the largest amount in the last federal tax cut make a net gain on taxes. That would also violate their Constitutional rights.
     
  6. Joe knows

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    it’s not hateful. How is it fair to those who pay taxes to see those who don’t pay taxes get equal representation? That’s not fair, people should never be able to vote for free things that get paid for by others. That’s legalized theft.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Feel free to factually dispute anything you can find in the article you believe to be false.
     
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  8. Joe knows

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    No my first post is an example of how democrats tailored this bill to make it easier for them to vote. Not for other to.
    Again, if you made a net gain on taxes it would take away your voting rights for that election cycle. Doesn’t matter who you are.
     
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    If that’s what you call “educating one’s self” with a biased sight then you can choose to indoctrinate yourself all day I will not. I only had to read into the first line to know it was trash. They’re trying to legislate themselves as justices to the voting system. There is already an active way to stop voting practices that are discriminatory. It’s the same path we took to stop Biden’s discriminatory farm relief effort. We went to the courts
     
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    They don’t pay taxes? I’m pretty sure they do. My parents own a business and they sign contracts all the time. They pay taxes.
    If they made a net gain on taxes then no.
    If they did not make a net gain on taxes then they can vote
    If they did not make a net gain in taxes they can vote
    Not working = no income taxes so no
    There may be an area I could see an exception in.
    Another rates I see a possible exception in
    I didn’t say if they paid income tax, I said if they made a net gain in taxes. Meaning at the end of the prior year to voting they made more money on their return than they put in. Just getting a job for a month won’t change this figure.
     
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    Totally wrong.
     
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    Nonsense.
    Election Day 2020 wasn't a holiday and yet we set records for number of votes.
    No excuse mail ballots are allowed WITH PROPER identification
     
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    Except the bill does more than simply those things, and if you ask for the bill to be limited to things that make sense (as those do) you're called a bigot.

    This extreme rhetoric forces people to take it all or nothing, and frankly nothing is going to be the more common choice than all.
     
  14. Joe knows

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    Totally right. No person should be able to tell another what portion of their check deserves to be cut so they can get an increase in theirs. That’s morally wrong. You’re likely one of these people
     
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    Good thing that's not happening.
     
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    What about the XIV amendment?
    What about active voters that are being placed on the inactive list that must clear up their registration before they can vote again and can be purged from the voter rolls if they do not comply?
    "Florida has put nearly 300,000 registered voters who voted in 2016 or later on “inactive” lists — the first step toward being purged from the voter rolls."
    https://www.naplesnews.com/pages/interactives/news/2020-election-florida-voters-inactive/
    Many of these belong to two groups, the elderly and young members of minorities
     
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    It is. There are people who make a profit on taxes while others do not.
     
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    Yeah, too bad people are not equally taxed. This amendment may support that notion.

    If you are suggesting my tax proposal wouldn’t not qualify under the 14th then neither would the current tax code. Equal representation is clearly not being practiced in the area of taxes.
     
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    Why are people who have problems with the present system unwilling to discuss all issues and try to solve those problems.
     
  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was a joke, right? If it did, the VRA would never have been necessary.
     
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    Business that don't turn a profit don't pay taxes. And if an owner doesn't take a pay check?

    So, now the poll workers will need to see tax returns before people can vote? How do you see that working?
     
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    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privilages or immunities of citizens of the United States..."
    Constitution of the United States of America Amendment XIV Section 1
    This is why I believe that people can not be kept from voting because of their personal economics and tax status.
     
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    Like the entire military industrial complex industry.
     
  24. Joe knows

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    I suppose you’re right, Probably wouldn’t pass the scrutiny of the 14th. However with that same logic we must be unconstitutionally limiting 18 year olds from buying pistols.
     
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    I could really care less about this voting rights legislation. Congratulations you've got easier access to vote for whether the checks go to religious organizations, military industrial complex, oil companies, and hedge funds. Or to tech companies, trial lawyers, insurance companies, and environmental lobbying organizations..

    Yay?
     

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