Thousands protest Tunisia gender equality proposals

Good, so you get the point of why I said it.

People have over and over told you the truth and you still spread the 20% lie that is being pushed.


The difference between men and women is 7-3% depending on the study and that is far too low to actually legislate change against.

Instead of addressing your made up statistics, you continue to push something that is 100% proven false.

So the fact that you want to provide a better environment to women at the expense of men is disgusting.

Women chose different careers and the studies show that and the fact of becoming a mother is about 75% of the difference, with women being less assertive to asking for more money making up the rest.

This forum isn’t like Reddit, everyone understands the studies and knows that the “women are paid less than men!” Is a lie that should not be spread by anyone wity any sense of honesty.

I know it’s fristrating when you leave the echo chambers that agree with you, but your stats are false and don’t fly here

 

What does giving birth have to do with employment?

 

I was using info obtained with a quick session on Google, asking the difference between wages for men & women for the same jobs. Google responded with about 20% in 2015 and 18% in 2016. I didn't look deeper into the subject before posting on the forum. I'm NOT pushing something "proven false." I'm also NOT pushing a better environment for women at the EXPENSE of men. I'm pushing for a work environment that's the same for both, and pay the same for both for the same work done.

 

Sounds a lot like Americans protesting athletes' right to remain seated during the national anthem, claiming it's anti american.

 

That is NOT the differences between wages for men & women for the same jobs. You are at best conflating the truth based on not understanding what you are reading, at worst deliberately trying to stray the argument with false data.

You are typing in and searching for the total $ amount earned by men and women, which does not take into account the same job or even the same field.

You seem to be purposefully spreading misinformation and I find it sad that you need to reach to such tactics to do so.

Women earn $.96, $.97 and $.93 on the dollar when EXACTLY EQUAL fields are taken into account. Spreading the 20% myth is something that no one except hardcore Leftists/Feminists beleive anymore.

That is why you are seeing such pushback and refusal to even have a conversation, you are literally spreading falsehoods.

 

It's utter and complete BS and has been disproven by so many studies it isn't even funny amymore.

Here is a HuffPo article showing how the "argument" is changing since hardcore Leftists/Feminists cannot describe the new findings they come up with.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

"The AAUW has now joined ranks with serious economists who find that when you control for relevant differences between men and women (occupations, college majors, length of time in workplace) the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing. The 23-cent gap is simply the average difference between the earnings of men and women employed “full time.” What is important is the “adjusted” wage gap-the figure that controls for all the relevant variables. That is what the new AAUW study explores.

The AAUW researchers looked at male and female college graduates one year after graduation. After controlling for several relevant factors (though some were left out, as we shall see), they found that the wage gap narrowed to only 6.6 cents. How much of that is attributable to discrimination? As AAUW spokesperson Lisa Maatz candidly said in an NPR interview, “We are still trying to figure that out.”

One of the best studies on the wage gap was released in 2009 by the U.S. Department of Labor. It examined more than 50 peer-reviewed papers and concluded that the 23-cent wage gap “may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers.” In the past, women’s groups have ignored or explained away such findings.

“In fact,” says the National Women’s Law Center, “authoritative studies show that even when all relevant career and family attributes are taken into account, there is still a significant, unexplained gap in men’s and women’s earnings.” Not quite. What the 2009 Labor Department study showed was that when the proper controls are in place, the unexplained (adjusted) wage gap is somewhere between 4.8 and 7 cents. The new AAUW study is consistent with these findings. But isn’t the unexplained gap, albeit far less than the endlessly publicized 23 cents, still a serious injustice? Shouldn’t we look for ways to compel employers to pay women the extra 5-7 cents? Not before we figure out the cause. The AAUW notes that part of the new 6.6-cent wage-gap may be owed to women’s supposedly inferior negotiating skills — not unscrupulous employers. Furthermore, the AAUW’s 6.6 cents includes some large legitimate wage differences masked by over-broad occupational categories. For example, its researchers count “social science” as one college major and report that, among such majors, women earned only 83 percent of what men earned. That may sound unfair... until you consider that “social science” includes both economics and sociology majors."

So basically, after the AAUW found out through their study that the 20% nonsense they were spouting was complete and utter BS (like you said) they have now changed to trying to say "All of life is unfair!" and that women are "forced" into low paying jobs at an early age due to the so called Patriarchy.

The absolute bottom line is that study after study after study shows that the "wage gap" is (I have seen 4 studies) 7%, 6%, 4% or 3%.

Even if we take the average and say there is a 5% "pay gap" when considering the same work, is that really something to legislate based on?

Of course, as this article shows, when Feminist like XplorR realize that the BS they have been spreading is false. Instead of understanding the data and changing their beliefs accordingly, they change their data in order to fit their beliefs.

Now it is, "Well, the wages are similar but women are chosing worse jobs and that is THE PATRIARCHIES fault!"

Thankfully, Feminism makes itself look worse and worse every year and now we have less than 10% of Women themselves agreeing with Feminism, it is a dying ideology because of the falsehoods people like XplorR push.

They claim false facts like "20 percent!". Then, when data shows they are wrong they refuse to say they are and instead try to change the argument.

Nope, get over it Feminists, you are wrong and the more you push this tepid talk the more people hate your ideology.

 

Nothing.

 

You're learning. You knew what I was going to say, didn't you?

 

Since you are attacking my statistical sources (along with me personally), how about sharing your sources for us all?

 

No, you asked a question, I answered with the answer.

 

Which makes me wonder why you brought up the question of pregnancy in regards to the mythical "pay gap".

 

I didn't, I started a new paragraph regarding equality. So for us to have equality, 50% of guys will have to give birth.

It's obvious there's no connection between guys giving birth and wages.

 

So what you're saying is that men and women are different.

 

Yes. Further, not all women are equal to other women, not all men are equal to other men. For example, who is/was equal to Einstein?

Do you think men and women are equal, and all women are equal and all men are equal?

I think we can have fairness, equality is a Utopian dream.

 

Good example.

Should a male scientist with a 85 IQ demand the same recognition that Einstein got?

 

Blimey, 85 is low. Only if they get close to or equal to Einstein's work. So to be fair to them, their renumeration will reflect their discoveries and work they've made.

I know a digger driver, he asks £250 a day. I know another digger driver and he asks £150 a day. I always hire the £250 a day guy because he's so quick, it works out to be cheaper. If I try to make them equal and pay both £200 a day, the £150 guy will lose me money and the £250 will get fed up and piss off. They're not equal. The pay they earn is fair to their abilities.

 

Exactly.

There are a million reasons why people make different amounts of money, and that's because no one is equal.

As you pointed out, not even within the sexes.

Under the left's socialist policies, we would all be paid the same though.

This is why all this SJW baloney is incredibly stupid.

I said 85 because I wanted to point out the absurdity of a scientist with an 85 IQ getting paid as much as Einstein, which if leftists had their way, is what we would have.

 

Because Socialism sucks. That's why I said 50% of blokes should give birth. The left want equality so half the women should give birth and half the men should give birth. But that statement is unrealistic, equality is unrealistic. Their reply will be to cherry pick the areas that are exempt from equality, so not equal then is it !!

 

See there, we can agree on something.

 

I imagine you're a right wing American brought up with guns. I'm a right wing Brit, not brought up with guns but we have access to them if we want to via a regulated system.

 

That's unfortunate. Perhaps if you weren't prevented from owning one by the state you'd understand why banning guns, knives and cars won't fix your problem.

I suspect a gun in your hand wouldn't be use to murder any more than a kitchen knife or a Mercedes would be.

 

Guns, knives and cars are not banned. There are just restrictions/regulations in place to hopefully reduce deaths. I've mentioned this more times than hairs on my backside (and I have a hairy backside) but it just never seems to sink in American heads. Why?

 

Yes, except restrictions and regulations don't stop criminals from obtaining something to kill you with any more than making murder illegal dissuades a murderer.

The difference is you'll have nothing to defend yourself with when they start dragging you out of your homes and cars.

 

They should protest it, that is a right thing to do.
Because gender equality means male discrimination.
No man should ever vote for a woman because it will inevitable lead to the infringement of men rights like it happens in the United States where a man is inferior to a woman

 

Do you also support ISIS and Shariah ?