To Beat Back Authoritarianism, Bring Back the Ostrakon

You heard me.

Straw man: I never claimed you did.

Which is irrelevant to my position.

Red herring: Your rebuttal changes the subject back to the OP, and fails to address the subtext you created which I was addressing by your suggesting w/r/t "crowds."

No false equivalency: Same sex marriage is illegal in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Why? Because the absolute monarch says so. Same sex marriage was illegal in California prior to 2015, and would still be illegal today had the judiciary not intervened. Why? Because the crowd said so. Two widely disparate conditions of governance with the exact same result: The authoritarian bullying of an entire class of people by tyrants. I can cite numerous additional examples. The tyranny of the majority is just as tyrannical as the tyranny of one.

Sorry, ethos not apply in this case: Your assessment of "my credibility" is strictly your (obviously biased) opinion, and not based on any substantive facts. Were your "argument" meritorious, you'd be able to make it with facts and evidence, not thinly-veiled playground sandbox kicking. I have noted several instances in this thread alone where you have resorted to slander and childish personal attacks. You'd do well to refine your argument so such embarrassments become unnecessary. It is just unseemly.

And now we have simply a flat lie. Your argument, such as it is, is on life support.

AKA "trolling," and a violation of the forum's TOS.

Fallacy, argumentum ad hominem. I am not the topic of this thread. Please stick to the topic: Attack your opponent's argument, not your opponent. This would be learned in middle-school debate class.

 

So it would be authoritarians like you who administer it?

 

Maybe we should bring back the cup of hemlock to boot?

 

The new anti-liberal progressive Democratic Party of the richest white racist men on earth is the new Nazi Party and reborn KKK taken exactly out of Mein Kampf.

Your message is a perfect example of white progressive Democratic fascist agenda. Yes, you want all books that are not of the fascist doctrines burned and everyone who doesn't bow down in servitude to the plutocrats to be banished.

The reason to oppose the Electoral college is so that one Democratic-fascist run state can steal the election for the entire country. Everyone knows that's the reason.

 

No, his messages suggest a desire to be one of the Brown Shirt mob. His messages indicate wanting a fascist authoritarian police state to run every aspect of his life and dictate his thoughts and emotions as his surrogate super strict parents against any misbehavior.

 

It really is, but not so much in the way OP intended. Going back to Themistocles, mentioned in an earlier post as perhaps the most famous victim of: 1. ballot and other fraud associated with ostracism, 2. the propaganda machinations of real totalitarians/authoritarians (Sparta) and dovetailing domestic Athenian interests (including the MSM of the day), and 3. mob rule democracy generally, some startling, even uncanny parallels with contemporary events and leaders emerge, and to summarize:

Themistocles was an arrogant, supremely ambitious political outsider and populist, resented by all sides of the prevailing political/media establishment, but beloved by commoners. He was also indisputably one of the greatest political and military geniuses in history, instrumental in Marathon, the building of the Athenian Navy, and the eventual defeat of Persia.

He saved Athens.

He PO'd lots of powerful people, among them the authoritarian to the point of totalitarian (overly romanticized by today's MSM) Spartans, by advocating rebuilding a border wall/wall around Athens and other fortifications. The Spartans and complicit Athenian interests conducted a massive media propaganda campaign against him. He was eventually ostracized in what many historians believe was a fraudulent election.

He fled, eventually to Persia, his past arch enemy, where he was accepted as a leader there by the Persian king. And with that, the historical similarities to Trump likely end... unless Trump eventually becomes a leader in China The story of Themistocles is fascinating and well worth delving into more deeply than the above summary.

 

And burning witches at the stake.

 

I never question your intelligence. No need. Your posts are part of the written record of this forum after all.

No "voter suppression" in this country by law since 1965. Repeating "unicornunicornunicorn" will not make one magically appear. And as usual, Left, thy name is Projection.

Projection.

 

Wow, you really are tiresome. And I see this style of argument by invocation-of-putative-fallacy is a feature, not a bug with you. Sorry, I'm not going to indulge this style of obfuscation. No point in my following you down your rabbit-hole. If you're not going to engage the OP, then don't.

 

Slow down buddy, don't give yourself a stroke. I take this kind of response - from a supporter of a tyrant - as simple validation of the need for an institution that gives the People the ability to get rid of tyrants in an efficient manner. That in turn will definitely curb the rise of demagogues in the first place.

 

Well, if individuals who are exiled would prefer suicide, that's their business.

 

It would be a simple majority-vote. Which is more than you Authoritarians who support the Demagogue and tyrant, ever got.

 

Do you have a prayer closet to Jeff Bezos for worship?

 

Most white progressive Democrats are such submissive Brown Shirts to the plutocrats believing the international super rich will toss them some crumbs so they don't have to work that this could get very ugly. Ultimately people will revolt or it will cause war, the the corporate-fascists in the end always destroy their country and all their little submissive mob mentality followers.

 

The OP is another white male Democrat apparently yearning for a return to slavery. Slaves can't vote. No one more loves slavery than many white male progressive Democrats.

 

There is no reason for anyone to take this thread seriously? At best it is just Xi Jinping worship fantasy.

Why bother anyway? Democracy ended in 2020. The USA is now a corporate-fascist plutocracy. But that's what most progressive Democrats want. However, they will be the first victims.

The all powerful use a combination of promising money they'll never give and ignorant mobs who believe they will profit putting the fascists into power. Once there, however, those nobodies in the mob are the first to be crushed because they become only a risk - so destroy them once their usefulness is over.

 

Fallacy, argumentum ad hominem: I am not the topic of this thread.

Concession accepted.

 

"To Beat Back Authoritarianism, Bring Back the Ostrakon."
~A and A

 

The fact that the proposal makes you Authoritarians squeal, is effectively QED of its merits.

 

Is "Authoritarians" a newly coined synonym for "logicians?" Seems so.

Thread equates to Pol Pot calling the kettle black so far. Can it possibly get any worse for you? Stay tuned.

 

Making no concession, I just have experience dealing with the kinds of arguments you like to make - an empty focus on rhetoric and not any substantive point. Not gonna play.

 

I dare you to make a factual argument, supported by objective evidence, without referencing me personally or my character. DARE YOU. Otherwise, my acceptance of your concession stands.

 

This thread reminds me of an old story about ostracism, authoritarian rule, administrative responsibility, and the wisdom of crowds.

Wonder what would have happened if the angry mob had voted to crucify the criminal and free the innocent man? Sometimes ostracism can lead to an even more loyal and longer-lasting group of supporters.




(Matthew 27)

 

Simple majority vote, AKA "mob rule."

 

Subversive and revolutionary -- straight out of Alinsky: accuse the opposition of doing the bad things you do. First, if anybody is destroying democracy and acting fascistically it is the Democrat party. They have destroyed the American concept of fair and free elections with purpose and aforethought, all to satisfy their singular goal which is political power -- everything else be damned. You accuse Trump to rationalize your desire for fervid retribution and the destruction of political enemies.

Also, the Greek system of Democracy was wisely and exuberantly discarded by our prescient founders and framers as being unworkable and ineffective for a free republic and against individual liberty.