To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

Well good luck with that.

 

Did the Mueller Report get it wrong? Was Trump a Russian spy and Mueller and his team were just too dumb to catch him?

 

Despite a preponderance of evidence of Trump's deceit and abuse of power, it would be a mistake for the House to impeach Trump.

The ultimate purpose of impeachment is to remove a person from office. Passing an Articles of Impeachment and a Senate trial is enormously divisive. The ultimate result of an impeachment is that it would tear our country apart.

The ultimate goal of Democrats, in one form or another, is to remove Trump from office. Many observers feel that would not be accomplished if the House passed Articles of Impeachment.

Why? One reason is the Democrats would be doing exactly what Trump wanted them to do, or so he says. He wants a Senate trial. He thinks it is his only chance to win reelection because everything he has done has turned sour. His forlorn accomplishments would include a failed Middle East policy, the lunacy of freeing up Iran to resume her nuclear research, his retreat in Syria which enhanced Russian interests in the pivotal Middle East, and his months long trade war with China which resulted in higher prices and a stagnant Wall Street from Jan. 2018 through Oct. 2019. The stock market only now is beginning to recover because analysts think Trump's trade war is coming to an end.

Another reason is, Americans are not behind impeachment. For impeachment to be successful, it would require an overwhelming support of Americans, somewhere in the area of 85 to 95%. Then Republicans in the Senate would listen.

Which brings us to the third reason why impeachment will fail. Many Republicans think what Trump did in Ukraine was inappropriate, but not a reason to remove him from office. Many disagree, thinking that a Presidential request for foreign interference in our Presidential election does warrant removal from office. They would ask Republicans, is foreign interference in our elections now acceptable? Apparently it is for Republicans because they are not breaking ranks. As things stand right now, not one Republican would vote to remove Trump from office.

So, what is the point of impeaching Trump? The best chance Democrats have of removing Trump from office is to continue to question his honesty and competence. Trump is an extremely unpopular President. They should feed on that, and maybe they will win next November.

 

When did I do that?

 

LOL, it has always been a very bad day for Trump. That is the dem friendly media narrative since 2016. Apparently you love the partisan unilateral attacks on Trump since 2016.

 

It's bad, but it is not that bad. Place your faith in the American people. We really screwed up in 2016, but we know that now. We will right the ship of state in 2020.

 

Not true. The "new generations" do get to remake the world. You're referring to Rome as if it represents the whole of humanity.
It does not. Neither does this country for that matter.
You say... "and if you and your gang destroy ours".
I don't have a gang. Neither do people like Ms. Hill or Mr. Holmes and most of humanity.
These people pose no threat to you whatsoever.
And yet you accuse them of some kind of destruction.
What are you really so afraid of?

That they might destroy this insane idea you have that you are always right?

 

I'm glad we can all agree on my analysis below.

 

Oh I'm not always right, but my record over the last couple of years beats any leftist on this forum by a longshot.

Here is what I'm "so afraid of:" Once you destroy the political culture of a loyal opposition, we'll never get it back, no matter what you think about the new generations. What you'll create out of trashing the traditions of a representative republic will be the banana republic version.

It's like watching a slow motion car crash.

 

I'm not saying you're premise is wrong,
but opposition just for the sake of opposition
is insane.
And that's exactly what it has come to.
That's the "slow motion car crash" we should be worried about.

 

"opposition just for the sake of opposition"

No idea what you are talking about now

 

I think I'm going to puke.

 

The Hill reports, "New polling showing public opposition to impeachment has some Republicans along with officials in the White House voicing skepticism that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will go through with a vote on articles of impeachment.

"While Pelosi has not guaranteed there will be a vote, it’s hard to imagine she would risk a backlash from the Democratic base by cutting the process short after two weeks of public hearings."

Many disagree with that statement. Pelosi is a savvy politician. She knows the purpose of impeachment is to remove the President. She also knows that a failed impeachment attempt could very easily result in having the opposite effect.

Many Democrats saw the hearings as providing damning testimony against Trump. “The hearings were nearly flawless and extremely damning for the president,” said an aide to the Democratic House leadership.

So what if public opinion is against the Democrats. So what if the votes aren't there and impeachment fails. The clueless aide talks like impeachment will remove Trump, or is itself the end result. Neither is true.

There are serious doubts the savvy Pelosi and Democratic leadership will continue with the Articles of Impeachment if public opinion isn't there and neither are the votes in the Senate.

Instead, Pelosi may decide to keep making Trump look bad and let the American voter remove him in November.

 

Let's see how this plays out:

 

That would be a substantial improvement...

 

Lol...you're joking right?
You support Trump because you honestly believe he knows what he is doing?
That's insane.
The truth is anything that Democrats want to do, Republicans with block, and visa versa.
There is nothing to debate as far as they are concerned.
One is right, and the other is wrong. No two ways about it.
Same thing you are doing here.
"opposition just for the sake of opposition"

 

One thing I can always count on from the left, is the projection.

 

The polling is decisive at this point in the swing states. Trump is correct, as the combined internal polling in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina is in the mid-70s in opposition to impeachment.

Adam Schiff looked like an evil character actor in a cheap movie. And anyone who has viewed the Biden tape knows he did much much worse than what the Dems are even accusing Trump of, still without any evidence of a crime.

Meanwhile, the public is expecting a vote on the USMCA as this charade continues.

 

Lol. Thank you for the clarification

 

Sandy Shanks said: ↑

Thank you. However, I seriously doubt Trump will be the GOP candidate in 2020. There are definite signs that the GOP leadership is getting weary of Trump's antics. They will find someone better to run in 2020.

Where did you find that? Did I really say that? If so, that was wishful thinking. Trump is going to lead the GOP right over the cliff. Recent elections, including 2018, illustrate that.

 

House intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff blasted former national security adviser John Bolton on Sunday, for failing to appear for testimony in the impeachment inquiry while teasing a forthcoming memoir.

Trump fired Bolton because Bolton objected to Trump requesting foreign interference in our Presidential election. Why in the world is Bolton protecting Trump?

 

Maybe he sees the impeachment effort as I do. A dangerous precedent for this country.

 

Heh, yeah that's you!
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-lead-the-world-stage.551011/#post-1070240400

 

That is an incredible statement from a former teacher. What did you teach? Kindergarten?

Precedent??? Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868. Nixon would have been impeached in 1974, but he quit. Clinton was impeached in 1998.

Precedent!!! Wheee!

 

So, it is. I was answering a question.

Will Trump's fans soon begin to reject Trumpism?

They already have. They refuse to talk about what Trump is saying and doing. They refuse to talk about his wall. They refuse to talk about the Constitutional crisis Trump has caused. They don't want to talk about Trump's end run around Congress. They don't want to talk about Trump's attack on the Separation of Powers principle within our Constitution. Republicans used to hold the Constitution sacred and they strongly opposed liberal changes to the meaning of the Constitution. Now Trump is trying to change the Constitution. Trump's fans don't want to talk about that either.

Trump's fans don't want to talk about Trump. Where is their support? It's gone. Trump is finished.

Again, wishful thinking. As I said,Trump is going to lead the GOP right over the cliff. Recent elections, including 2018, illustrate that. I dearly regret that. I am a card-carrying Republican and it is sad what Trump has done to the GOP and the fact that the GOP leadership doesn't have the balls to stand up to this foolish, incompetent President. It is actually quite embarrassing.