Today’s Equation: Green Energy = No Energy

yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly we had quotas on how much electricity each household is allowed to use.
These loony laws appear seemingly out of nowhere with no public debate.

 

What do you think smart grid is? Its not about efficient transmission. Its about turning your AC off.

 

What do you think smart grid is? Its not about efficient transmission. Its about turning your AC off.

 

Conspiracy theory anyone???

 

We have been nomads for most of our existance. Despite the technology we have developed, take away all energy, and the few lucky ones return to the nomadic life style, the rest (almost 6 billion people) starve to death.

Technology has greatly improved energy efficiency. Many do more with a cell phone than they did with a computer / monitor that consumed 500W. Gas mileage has increased, we have Energy Star appliances. But, even if we cut energy usage per person by 10, the increasing global standards of living will require even more energy.

Therefore, we need alternative sources of energy. But, that will be developed by technology, and prosperity. Not by taxation, government regulation, and the resulting poverty.

 

"These loony laws appear seemingly out of nowhere with no public debate."

Taxcutter notes:
They never consult the consumers about such stuff. Low flow (multiple-flush) toilets, incandescent bulb ban, mandated gasohol, 54.5 MPG CAFE (hope you like your clown car), phosphate-free detergents (that don't get your stuff clean), higher electric rates, rationed electricity.

 

"...that will be developed by technology, and prosperity. Not by taxation, government regulation, and the resulting poverty."

Taxcutter says:
Hear! Hear!

 

So when biofuels start to use media, like the pongamia tree, switchgrass, and algae, and biofuels should have been coming, from HEMP, since 1940, that's when TC thinks it's time, to rant about loony laws, without attacking the laws, against hemp resourcing, while taking up bandwidth, to note smoking, like any giggly, little girl.

Sorry about all those deflecting laws, TC. Somebody didn't want biofuels to happen, and so all processes are CORRUPT, since the drug and alcohol laws were enacted, in the US, to stomp the world economy, which led to WWII.

Diddums soap not work too well? Awwww. I guess you don't have any good, natural soaps, do you. I wonder what would make your shizzle get done?

Corrupt laws is, and corrupt laws does. Stupid is, AND stupid does. So that's when TC comes out with a total P-Riot, about how all that happens with hemp is smoking pot, to ding 24,999 other hemp products.

You can't have energy, TC. You can't cut taxes. You can RANT, in a circle.

 

You know the biggest and simplest thing we could do to reduce our energy consumption, something that environmentalists refuse to talk about ?
IMMIGRATION. Stop bringing in so many people. Fewer people = less energy consumption. How is cutting vehicle emissions by 20% going to do any good if all these new people we are taking in are having 200% more babies — babies that are going to grow up and drive a car ?
I sometimes wonder if one of the prices of immigration is all these ridiculous regulations and new taxes we are seeing. More people creates more problems, and then the government has to impose more regulations to deal with all these new problems. Whether it is gun control because of all the ethnic crime and youth gangs, or low-flow tiolets because all these people consume so much more water.

 

Immigration is a sticking point, since developers want to make money, on inflating property prices, year after year.

Of course, since 911, the US borders have to be semi-sealed, and now, the exxonomy is about to tank, or it will wait for the Euro to mess up, and THEN the US will tank.

 

One problem with immigration is the fact that the places the immigrants come from can no longer support them.

That is also the problem causing so much political unrest. The countries they migrate to can not support the influx of people without lowering their standard of living. And this causes political unrest and revolution. And when this is combined with the idea that they have somehow offended God you have real problems.

Both Christians and Muslims seem to feel this way.

 

Well! /\ /\ When Christians are all into Jimmy Carter, enough to read or at least understand his 2006 book, PALESTINE: Peace Not Apartheid, I can stand some Christians.

I mean only SOME of the Christians, since I happen to know they tend to be obnoxious Zionists, who support the invasion of Palestine AND US hegemony, in the rest of the Middle East, which includes US Marines, deployed in Afghanistan, with Crusader symbols, on their gear.

Add a little corpse-peeing and Qu'ran burning, and we have us a passle, of trouble. Mr.Jesus had an actual daddy, a Roman soldier, so I'm not putting up with more than I have to.

 

Another thread hijacked off into la-la land.

 

Then we don't have an energy problem?

So far, nothing but a lot of hype:

A dribble of bio-diesel and E85 at pump (E85 makes wonderful race gas).
Hybrids with worse gas mileage than a similar power diesel engine.
Little to no green energy coming out of the electricty outlet.

Algae was a well known source of oil in 1994 - UNH had a nice paper describing a combination of sewage treatment plant (ferterlizer), power plant (CO2), and algae farm capable of creating 30,000 gallons of oil a year per acre. How many gallons of oil come from algae?

Switchgrass to alcohol - agains, and old story, still in R&D.

The greenies answer to speed this up is government. DARPA has been trying create alternative fuel for decades (they did some of the first work on algae), how is that going?

 

Dude, Henry Ford and Rudolph Diesel both had plans, for HEMP, which were derailed by Diesel's death and the sellout, of FDR and Congress, to make hemp illegal, whereupon the US pitched the drug war, by treaty and by handouts, to junior hegemonies.

Good dang question, about DARPA.

DARPA has been busy, to make a 2010 announcement, about $2 jet fuel, headed for $1/gallon:

http://www.algaeindustrymagazine.com/darpa-closes-in-on-2gal-algae-fuel/

http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/darpa-biofuel-from-algae-could-cost-only-1-per-gallon215/

http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdige...lgal-fuels-headed-for-1-50-mgy-scale-by-2011/

Shoalhaven One just opened, August 2, 2012. So this won't be producing french-fry oil fuel, at $26 a gallon, or whatever THAT was. Here are 2012 update links:

http://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/tag/jet-fuel/

http://www.naval-technology.com/features/featurerimpac2012-great-green-fleet-communications-korea/

 

Yet where is this biodiesel.

A look at DARPA's 2012 budget shows the only occurance of bio-diesel is:

, The exact same statement as was in the 2010 budget.

Got to quite reading the hype, and look at the reality.

 

Geothermal energy has the smallest drawback on the environment but only on a few places on Earth available, next is geothermical energy, everywhere available, next is tidal energy, and so on. The 'greenies' and 'greyies' don't know about it because 'their' parties, Greenpeace, other 'green' and 'enviromental' organisations, the media, oil companies and politics block it (system has an imperialistic agenda)

 

almost makes you think the commotion about MMGW and clean energy is about something very different.

 

Shoalhaven One is in Australia and is not subject to silly US regulations.

More in a separate thread.

Here's a thought: If and when algal biofuel is commercialized, it will be by companies that are today called "oil companies." Who else has the access to capital, engineering know-how, and distribution channels? "Oil companies" don't really care whether their gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel comes from West Texas Intermediate, Saudi Light or algae. Its all the same at the pump, which is the profit center of the energy biz.

 

Bio-oil will enter the processing chain at the refinery. That is one of the major advantages, minimal new infrastructure.

Of the bio-oil sources, algae has the greatest "potential", after all that is where our petro oil comes from. Nature had billions of years to perfect the process, and could afford very low efficiencies.

 

That is one thing that people really don't get about the supposed economic boom that green energy is supposed to bring. Like most Keynesians your typical leftists has never read a single word from Keynes. Green energy wont help the economy. Much like Spain it will hurt it. New technologies only benefit the economy if they increase the aggregate demand. It was not the invention of the car that helped increase aggregate demand. The car was invented years before it had a true effect on the economy. It was the invention of the assembly line and car financing that made the car affordable to the average person and increased aggregate demand.

There is an energy market. It is an existing market. Green energy doesn't' create any new markets nor does it increase demand in the market. The energy market is actually the hallmark of a market that has extremely inelastic demand. Given the green energy is far more expensive than conventional energy green energy will lead to a marked decrease in aggregate demand due to the inelasticity of the energy market and have a negative effect on the economy.

 

The problem with RWNJ ranters is they may all have some sort of dyslexia or ADHD, particularly as regards green energy and global climate change.

The RWNJ and his Republicrat pawn won't admit to any centrist or pragmatist positions.

The RWNJ is desperate, to suppress any understanding, of global warming or green energy or re-greening, since a RWNJ won't think about any humanism, for social agendas OR about any generation, past his own. The RWNJ knows his special intersts own Republicrats.

Meanwhile, there's an algae farm, starting up, in New Mexico, which didn't come up, on my search, but here are a lot of fresh links, from last month or so.

These guys are from Texas, and they want money, for some reason:

http://www.emerging-markets.com/algae/algae2020studyandcommercializationoutlook.pdf

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Malaysia is also getting a biomass refinery:

http://advancedbiofuelsusa.info/biomass-refinery-in-the-offing

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Biomass refineries in the US:

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/integrated_biorefineries.html

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SOMEBODY is doing more biomass refining. Just saying.

 

Greenies fail to competently endorse biodiesel OR to endorse a sudden end, to the drug war, and not all of them are around the Ring of Fire:

http://www.energy.ca.gov/geothermal/

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Basics:

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/

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Sacto, 2012:

http://www.geo-energy.org/

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Geothermal media needs to pick up returns, via modern designs, or it will wind up like nuclear energy, too costly and not productive, enough.

But NO energy media will EVER be as costly or dangerous, both, as nuclear.

 

You need to take a lesson in economics. These are not new markets or emerging markets. These are energy supplies trying to take a share of an existing market. For ever kWh produced through a green tech another is not produced somewhere else. There is no change in demand so aggregate demand does not grow and the economy does not grow. And the more inefficiently that kWh is produced the less resources are available to be spent on other goods so aggregate demand drops.

The more expensive energy is the less demand the economy has on the aggregate. That is a simple fact.

 

I have a better education than you.

Let me try and simplify it as much as possible not that you care.

As a nation we consume energy. The demand for this energy is highly inelastic. The energy produced and sold in its various forms is the energy market. New ways of producing energy doesn't create a new market. It is simply another competitor looking for a share of the existing inelastic energy market. What drives the economy is aggregate demand. If new techs are to spur economic growth they have to increase demand. Green technology doesn't increase demand. The only thing that increases energy demand are new toys that use more energy.

While your typical corrupt greentech company may use governemnt to do it favors force its self a share of the energy market society as a whole sees no economic benefit from that. The green tech company might get richer but at the expense of everyone else who are now paying more for energy and have to cut back on other spending. High energy costs are always a negative for the economy because aggregate demand has to fall as there is less disposable income to buy other goods.