Tommy Robinson arrested outside child grooming trial for ‘breaching the peace'

So in the UK, if you livestream outside of a courthouse where /cough certain people are being tried for child grooming you can be arrested.

For those who don't know child grooming is behavior that coerces children into sexual relationships and/or prostitution and in the UK the problem exploded when /cough certain people started arriving en mass.

The reason for this thread is to demonstrate why our freedom of speech is so valuable and how easy it is for those with power to oppress people that don't have that right.

We're being subjected to a bit of that oppression right now by social media giants like Faceboook, Instagram, Reddit, YouTube, etc, who vindictively censor or outright ban opinions and people they don't like.

Something that large can only grow and since the aims of those same people is to control our government it only stands to reason that should they be successful then we could possibly endure similar treatment as Tommy Robinson one day.

 

This is what happens when a country doesn't have a 1st and 2nd Amendment........and becomes a liberal leftist hell.....

 

Tommy Robinson is a very contentious guy who has pushed the envelope on many occasions.

The reason he is in jail is he was on parole for doing something similar and specifically ordered to avoid doing it again. Which he ignored. HE also has a history of being very critical in public about muslim immigration to the UK

Of course many ( including the judge who sent him to jail ) will say he brought it on himself for willfully ignoring the terms of his parole which may in fact be accurate.

The problem is what sort of western civilized nations allows such laws to be passed in the first place. On both occasions he was not IN the courthouse and he was not inciting any violence he was merely trying to film for his blog and doing so on public streets outside the court house.

This is following on the heels of the Dankula case where a guy made a joke of teaching a dog to imitate a nazi salute in a video. He narrowly avoided jail and had to pay a hefty fine for being " grossly offensive " there was also the case of a man sent to prison for placing a bacon sandwich on the door of a mosque. Many other examples exist of people being jailed for expressing their views or of journalists being censored. In fact many UK new sites have been forced to remove articles about the Tommy Robinson case

The UK government is far more interested in enforcing PC laws against those who may criticize muslim rape gangs than they are with actually stopping muslim rape gangs.

It is actually fair and accurate to say that the UK has become a police state where dissent and free speech is not tolerated. And of course the people cannot resist as they are unarmed as many would have the USA become. Of course this does not stop violent murder as London's murder rate is higher than New York's murder rate but primarily with knives. Yet any tool for self defense such as Pepper spray is banned from being carried.

It is not the right wing or white supremacists or neo nazis bringing Orwell to western civilization it is the left wing which threatens totalitarianism. In Canada they passed C16 which violates free speech by requiring preferred pronouns. Resistance to this law made Professor Jordan Peterson the greatest villain to anyone on the left.

The one thing keeping this from happening in the US is the first amendment. AS we can see with the gun banners however if you give them enough time and tolerance they will find ways to incrementally chip away at such legal protections until they are not worth the paper they are written on and that is the of the left for both first and second amendment rights.

Incidentally Tommy may well die in prison. The UK prisons are filled with radical muslim gangs who made it clear they are willing to murder anyone they dislike in prison. His 13 month sentence may well be a death sentence and the UK government will be culpable if he is killed but that may well be just what they want.

The UK no longer has any right to be viewed as a civilized nation.

 

Yes that is the very point.

The UK oppresses, suppresses, and represses people because they have no freedom of speech.

The historic suppression of peoples has always always always come under a banner of protection.

Suppressing the Blacks in the US was to "protect" the Whites, suppressing the Whites in South Africa is to "protect" the Blacks, suppressing the Jews was to "protect" the Germans, suppressing Muslim women is to "protect" Muslim men, and suppressing gun owners is to "protect" children.

The oppressors always manage to justify themselves by saying "its for the best".

 

But they claim to.

I have seen british subjects in interviews ask about and laugh at the concept of the first amendment. They seem to think it is silly to have an amendment or a bill of rights in general when freedom of speech is protected by their government without the need for such specific laws.

This case and others clearly proves how stupid such people are.

I don't think we need to be alarmed but we do need to be concerned and watchful because many students today feel that the first amendment and free speech needs to be heavily restricted or done away with. The marxist professors turn them into SJWs who feel that no one has the right to disagree with them.

They won;t overturn the first amendment any time soon but gradual incremental erosion of what the first amendment protects is a real danger to be vigilant against.

 

That's what I was speaking to when referencing Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, YouTube, etc (also including all the big name search engines).

The best bet these anti-freedom types have at suppressing free speech is by controlling the single largest communication platform in existence; the internet.

Millions of clueless people are outraged over the "Russian interference" on Facebook and Twitter and yet those people have no clue that the alleged acts amounted to a sneeze in the category 5 hurricane.

The actual interference came by way of a massive effort of censorship and traffic shaping all designed to favor Hillary.

Its quite amusing, isn't it, the very entities whipping people into a frenzy over inconsequential and mostly fabricated interference are the ones who represent the single greatest threat to democracy we've experienced since Nazi Germany.

 

Yes the argument of freedom of expression on the internet is a big one. On the one hand facebook and youtube and others are private enterprises owned by corporations and share holders etc. so the first amendment does not strictly apply. On the other hand the internet is the largest communication tool in modern times and therefore access to it may well be a first amendment issue. Much the same way early radio stations were overseen by government as they were the primary communication tool in their day.

That seems to be the logic behind the recent supreme court decision which forbade trump from blocking people on twitter. IF that logic applies then it would need to be applied further and social media sites should not be permitted to censor content for ideological or political reasons which they certainly do.

I do not know how it will work out in the end but it is going to be interesting.

 

It's a little ironic to me after all the hype and attention given to the recent royal wedding. Other than the reality show of yet another " prince " getting married many people were focused on the bride and her mixed race background. Some were celebrating how the royal family has come into modern times and embraced multiculturalism etc. They consider it progressive and positive change for the future for a mixed race ( half white /half black ) american woman to married into a royal family.

It's all well and good for people to marry who ever they want for the right reasons and for all I know they are really in love and simply want to be married rather than making it a political statement.

However the hype and ceremony of royalty hides the ugliness that has grown monstrous in the UK. The UK founded the colonies which became the USA they gave the world the Magna Carta and were one of the first nations to ban slavery. Probably more than any other culture they promoted and embraced the idea of the supremacy of the individual over the group which is the most important corner stone of modern civilization.

Now the UK has **** on that legacy and turned itself into a totalitarian nightmare state which openly jails people for thought crime while openly being blase about violence perpetrated by people of certain racial or religious backgrounds.

People need to forget the glitter and glamour of the royals which is an outdated anachronism anyways and see what the real government in the UK is doing to it;s people.

The UK may be beyond saving but brexit might be a glimmer of hope in the mess if the government will stop dicking around and respect the will of the people they govern.

 

The state wants him killed in prison given there are so many immigrants in UK prisons.
The UK is now a police state and I hope every strong will Brit wakes up and takes back their nation from these venomous scum.
I don't even agree with Tommy on most issues, but he did nothing wrong.

 

And when you invite a bunch of severely inbred people into your country.

 

Was he attempting to buy some children? That's seems about his speed.

 

That word salad needs some clarification and explanation.

Not only is it senseless it is not even a funny insult.

 

I could look for a fk to give but I already know it's not there.

 

Well now......it appears there are a few Brits who haven't given up on free speech and aren't cowering in fear of their leftist government:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...sted-for-breaching-the-a3849046.html#comments

 

Streaming something about real Muslim crimes is a crime? Who’s running that country?

 

Geert Wilders Releases Statement in Support of Tommy Robinson: “Lights of Freedom Going Out All Over Europe”

 

Publishing anything about any case that is sub judice is potentially a crime. Whether the accused are Muslims or otherwise.

This isn't about freedom of speech, and it is not particular to this case. This is a rule that applies to criminal proceedings in England so the outcome is not contaminated by publication of things that might not be proven in the trial.

It is about preserving the integrity of the jury pool. What is the outrage about that?

 

As an Australian, let me tell you: we (Commonwealth states) do not have freedom of speech. Not the sort that matters.

It is illegal to insult or offend protected classes.

It would have been illegal to post the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in our papers. We do the bidding of murderous terrorists to stop them shooting up our newspapers.

NSW upper house just passed a law to make it illegal to peacefully hold a sign 149m down the road from an abortion clinic.

We have a vague, wishful understanding of free speech basically limited to the ability to criticise politicians, so long as you don't talk about certain taboo topics.

I used to think it was ridiculous to suggest that only the US has free speech, but that was when I had the correct opinions. As you step outside the realm of acceptable thoughtcrime you notice the trick.

 

Whoever allowed these patients out for the day unsupervised is going to lose their job.

 

Please stop calling authoritarian progressives SJW types, liberals. They are the opposite of liberal. They no longer deserve the name. The left has abandoned liberalism.

 

My lord still attacking the uk for daring to enforce a court gag order to allow for a fair trial and by a man who is both a convicted criminal and bigot. On top of that the court gave him plenty of fair warning before acting to enforce their order.

Sorry guys but US first amendment or not does not mean that the US courts from time to time will not issue gag orders and will enforce those gag orders with the power of contempt of court charges.

What is behind this nonsensical attack on the UK courts?

 

By the way since when it rape or any other sex crime a Muslim Crime as is there something special concerning sex crimes done by Muslims compare to Christians or Jews or blacks or whoever.

An these so call Muslims crimes should not be treated in the same manner as crimes by anyone else as it is my understanding that your hero would be facing the same punishment for his actions no matter what the religion of the persons who are on trial happen to be.

 

So much prejudice and hatred. Why should any group be blamed for what certain individuals do? I'm sure that's a big part of why Tommy here got into trouble in the first place. People like Tommy and so many in this thread just want any excuse to blame and hate outgroups, such as Muslims and non-white immigrants. Any crime committed by anyone who even appears to match the relevant description gets treated as being indicative of the entire group.

It's not liberal or politically correct in any way to take a strong stance against bigotry. Is the next genocide, the next Holocaust, unavoidable? Are you people who get yourselves so worked up over this outgroup or that one going to bring this about once again no matter how hard more sensible people try to maintain civil order?

 

Britain used to build better Tommy's for sure.

 

On another board with UK origins, I once voiced outrage over the USSC decision in the WBC intentional tort case of attacking a private family in a public setting. They wanted to get attention for themselves by publicly and intentionally inflicting emotional distress upon private citizens. Most others claimed it was simply speech, is protected. Then I voiced outage over what happened to Count Dankula for the UK criminally convicting him for what really was only speech. They told me he deserved it. Now Tommy may die in jail for engaging in journalism. And I don't write about it on that board at all as there is a court ordered gag on the issue in the UK. Outside the UK, I cannot believe anyone is writing about anything else.