Torture, is it wrong?

No, you think it's far more sporting to waterboard people, sleep deprive them, feed them by shoving their food up their arses, then chaining them to a wall in a cell and leaving them there until they die of hypothermia.

Tell me again how you're the good guys, here?

 

ok you go ahead and die then, but I would like for someone to be tortured who's trying to blow me up so they can stop the bombing, I have a family who needs me.

 

Yup, go ahead and die then, and see if you can get the meaning of life defined in the pinch before you do.

 

People like him never had to contemplate death or losing someone close to him. **** terrorists, they want to take away people I care for, I say torture the crap out of them

 

I'm pretty sure it has "Doing what's right, even if it isn't all sunshine and rainbows" somewhere in it.

 

I don't really understand that question?

 

That is a worse problem, you just blame Politics, when Political parties have nothing to do with Torture.

 

So young, so full of crapola,
What about U.K. use of torture ?
In Ireland ?
Other Countries ?

 

Most people discussing these topics are not Soldiers, have no clue what Torture is.

Real Scientific Torture should be more smoke and mirrors, lots of Hollywood special effects without any real harm done.

The idea is to get information, once you inflict harm, Torture is not effective, this pulling out fingernails and teeth is a stupid waste of time.

It is way better to fool and trick people with special effects, than to beat them or hurt them in any way.

I can get information out of people without hurting them.

 

And that's too good for 'em!

 

I always advocate submitting them to whatever it was they submitted their unsuspecting victims to. For example, let them know what it's like for a vehicle to be driven at you at high speed, get hit by it, thence to get mangled between the underside of the vehicle and the road. Or put them in a confined space with a timed explosive device and let them sweat until it explodes. Or shoot them in the knees then let them bleed to death, not blue-light them to the nearest effing hospital.

 

Not effective.
There are great ways to Torture without inflicting physical harm on prisoners.
Remember, prisoners of war have rights.

 

Why the **** would you worry about the human rights - or more bizarrely 'hurting' - some ****ing psycho who has just driven a truck straight into pedestrians with the sole purpose of killing as many as he could? What the hell makes you liberals tick ffs? Would you still hold that position if those pedestrians had included your wife an children?

 

You put them in my hands, and I guarantee that I will get every bit of information out of them possible.
I will Torture, just in My own way.

 

But we're aren't talking about getting information here, we're talking about retribution for committing a heinous atrocity. Let me put it this way, you may or may not get information, but only by eliminating 'killing' the perpetrator of a truck horror can ensure he never does it again?

 

Have you noticed that most operatives die in the commission of acts of Terrorism ?
The superior idea is prevention of these acts while they are being planned, before these acts of Terrorism can be carried out.

People with experience in these matters are The ones most capable of carrying them out.

 

But how can that be done? For example, supposing the security forces have a group under surveillance and hear them planning this kind of atrocity for the next day - what do you think the next steps should be?

 

I outlined a protocol I named project Sentinal, it utilizes a programme algorithm, and it runs on an Apple tablet, and you are able to determine, by means of quantativ analysis, locate cells of Terrorist activity and take preemptive action before an act of Terrorism can take place.

It is frightfully expensive as it requires a network of hundreds of thousands of People supplied with tablets in every City.

 

So what form would that 'preemptive action' take? But let's keep it simple: For example, the surveillance observes a cell of 10 terrorists in a room planning to hire a truck and do the job the next day. What action should the surveillance team take?

 

That is at the discretion of Government to determine ROE and what to do with the Terrorists once they are located by a Surveillance team.
Since the Surveillance teams are not the ones actually engaging the enemy.

They only locate the enemy.

 

Alright then, supposing that you are influential in government? Given the scenario I presented, what would you advise the government department for terrorism to do about the discovery which would prevent the atrocity from taking place?

 

Its wrong. It has been wrong since the 1st priest class of Sumerians and Sargon, and its still wrong today. It will be wrong in the future, long after humans finally annihilated themselves and destroyed all life on Earth. It will be wrong after the Universe collapses in on itself, into a great Singularity, and recreates itself from nothing.

 

No, not an innocent person.

I'm talking about torturing the terrorist who produced the nuke. I'd gladly torture him to get him to deactivate the nuke and prevent 10 million deaths.

I don't understand the people who would not torture the terrorist and let millions die.

 

We've deviated way too far from an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

 

I would say that torture is wrong 99.9% of the time. But if torturing an individual to get information needed to save lives and that information is needed ASAP with no other way to obtain the life saving information, under those circumstances, I'm okay with it.

I'm of the conviction one does what needs to be done under the circumstances and situation of the times.