Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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  1. LangleyMan

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    So what if Italians live 4.9 years longer than Americans? Really?
     
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    Addendum: the number of today's deaths in the USA just jumped from +1,726 to +2,109. Horrifying.

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    Notice that the death rate has started to rise again.
     
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    It is all SARS-Cov-2, just like you and I are "different strains" of human, but we're still the same species, and just like influenza is still influenza with 4 major types and more sub-types (ancestors) under each category.

    The more types they find, they will either need more vaccine combinations, just like they have a different flu shot "cocktail" from year to year with different ingredients, or they may have to see about a "one size fits all" vaccine which could come with more human side effects.
     
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    Those are some really good questions. And I mean, really good.

    What about people who have gotten hit with 2 strains at once? Surely, that's happened as well.

    What if the anti-bodies that one builds to beat the virus back the first time only provide immunity (or partial immunity) against that same strain, but not a future mutation?

    The more questions are answered, the more new questions pop up, and sometimes they are really uncomfortable questions, if you ask me.

    And what about the neuro side of this, which has just barely been researched?
     
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    If you're carrying one strain, you'll only pass on that strain.

    It is possible to catch the flu more than once in a season if you catch two or more separate strains. Essentially, you'd have immunity to the strain you caught, but not strains you didn't catch.

    I suppose there is some probability that people could catch the L-type and the S-type coronavirus if both are floating around the neighborhood.
     
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    Yeah, and it goes on and on. The Chinese research only looked at 11 people but found more than 60 mutations, so that opens up lots of (not good) possibilities.
     
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    Lord have mercy,

    the number of deaths in both New Jersey and Pennsylvania have doubled over yesterday's totals. In Michigan, the number of deaths is 3-fold that of yesterday's numbers.
    New York is only about +100 more deaths than yesterday, so this is proof that other hotspots are where the big dying is starting to occur.

    You all need to brace for probably the worst death numbers to date for the USA, because in spite of the death total, now at +2,238 for today, the following states have still not reported in:

    MA, CT, WA, CO, SC, KY, NM, ID, NE, NH, HI, WY.

    Plus, the NYC numbers will surely be updated again, as usual.
     
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    Not sure I agree, primarily because of 60+ mutations found in only 11 patients.

    Also, there have been 3, not 2 distinct strains identified. The likelihood of more being found is high as time goes on and these slight mutations become more distinct.
     
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    Too late to edit, but I misspoke in the above post. It was 33 mutations found in 11 patients. I got the 60 figure from the article mentioning that 60% of these mutations were new. Sorry about that.

    Here's the info as it appears in the article:

    The ability of the novel coronavirus to mutate has been previously vastly underestimated, a team from China’s Zhejiang University, led by Professor Li Lanjuan, says in a new study. The group found as many as 33 virus mutations in just 11 coronavirus patients they examined in the city of Hangzhou.

    The researchers say that 60 percent of the strains they discovered turned out to be entirely new. In a worrying development, they also discovered that the virus’s mutations directly affect its deadliness. Their research revealed that the most aggressive type of Covid-19 could create a virus load 270 times greater than the least potent one.

    “Despite only 11 patient-derived isolates being analyzed in this study, we observed abundant mutational diversity, including several founding mutations for different major clusters of viruses now circulating globally,” the study said.
     
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    2020 Covid19 estimated deaths; 60,000

    2020 Covid19 "related" deaths; over 100,000

    "related" meaning;

    Final tally of Covid19 deaths
    + Stress related deaths
    + Alcohol/drugs/suicide related deaths
    + Couch potato related deaths

    IMO;

    CDC screwup responsible for 35% of Covid19 deaths

    Trump's resistance to shut-down "sooner than later", and "nation-wide"; 15%

    Last, Trump has been/will always be UNWISE!

    Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is considered wise if he keeps ...
    https://biblehub.com/proverbs/17-28.htm
    Even a fool is thought to be wise when he remains silent; he is thought to be prudent when he keeps his mouth shut. NET Bible Even a fool who remains silent is considered wise, and the one who holds his tongue is deemed discerning.
     
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    I appreciate the work you and Lonestar are doing. This aspect of the virus is definitely crucial and I think you're right that we need to figure out what 'types' of virus does the US have predominately and in what States.

    States that have the most deadly strain should continue to be closed/monitored, meanwhile States with the less deadly strain should be monitored but relatively open for the economy.
     
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    When did Trump resist the recommendation from Dr. Fauci (or anyone else) for a shutdown ???

    How has Trump been unwise with regard to following the advice of the US Corona virus medical experts ???
     
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    Besides, I thought our Governor-fuhrers controlled the shutdowns, not the President.
     
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    Can you post a link that says that? If you are interested in how the actual calculations are done, you can read, here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
     
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    I don't know of any instance where he resisted the call to issue guidance on shutting down, but he did resist the notion that testing was critically important or that testing should be ramped up immediately against the advice of Dr. Fauci and others.

    And how about when he continually pushed a drug that Dr. Fauci said shouldn't be promoted as some miracle drug?

    More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study
     
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    What's missing is the Zinc Sulfate that the French doctor used. It was a combination of HCQ, azithromycin as well as the Zinc Sulfate.

    Hell, the study even says 6% less died when they added Azithromycin. What this shows, is if they don't follow the recipe(and they didn't), then they didn't get the same results!

    :wall: Therefore, this study as well is flawed because they studied an incomplete drug regimen that they didn't bother to fully test.
     
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    The problem with this logic is that you are no longer studying whether Hydroxychloroquine is the result of the benefits. Perhaps it is just Azithromycin or Zinc Sulfate.
     
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    Not in the eyes of the “Orange Man Bad” guild.
     
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    And it could be(in fact, the scientific data I had seen, shows that the Zinc really does have a huge impact and that the HCQ was actually more like a carrier(or a super dose) of the Zinc, to get into the virus.)

    What we can then say is that Zinc(a natural vitamin in the body) is crucial to helping to fight the virus.
     
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    He has followed exactly the advice of our US medical experts.

    Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc have saved lives and are completely safe. The French study used a daily dose of 6000 mg hydroxychloroquine. The report expresses the dose in terms of micro Moles per liter which isn’t directly comparable.
     
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    1) Agree. We should be aiming for no more than once every two weeks. Once a week is too often.

    2) Good luck. You're going to need it.

    3) It's what we're aiming for in New Zealand and Australia. We're close to it now.
     
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    The combination works. It works best if doctors can prescribe it early in the infection cycle. Some states will not allow doctors to prescribe it off label. Denying access to sick people is immoral.

    I am at a loss as to why anyone would be opposed to allowing victims of the Corona virus access to medications early in the disease progression which has helped many people.
     
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    You realize that you are safer outside ??? I go for a walk every morning and then hit tennis balls off a wall for an hour later in he day. Exercise is critical to keep the immune system strong and for mental health.

    You will never achieve a zero daily new case metric.
     
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    Daily updates:

    This morning, 11:31 GMT +2.

    Early this afternoon, 14:01 GMT +2 (crossing the 2.5 million mark).

    This evening, 19:22 GMT +2 (USA only).

    This evening, 21:20 GMT +2.

    This evening, 21:41 GMT +2.

    And now, EOD today:

    *2,551,538*
    +77,407 cases today over yesterday.
    177,177 COVID-19 deaths worldwide.
    2,612 Americans died from COVID-19 today.

    At end of my day, 11:50 PM on April 21st, 2020 (GMT +2), here the COVID-19 numbers:


    2020-04-021 EOD 001.png

    Today, we sailed over the 2.5 million mark and are halfway already to 2.6 million; 6 days ago, we came in over the 2 million mark. 19 days ago, we shot over the 1 million mark. It's as if the 100,000 markers are merely speed-bumps on the highway right now.

    The mortality rate (number of total deaths / number of total confirmed COVID-19 cases) started it's upward climb again, to 6.94% (It was 6.87% yesterday at EOD). It has been between 6.67% and 6.69% over the last four days. That is an enormously high death rate, which has moved incrementally from 3.41% when I began tracking the numbers on 02/27 to now over 6%. That is a +3.6% jump in the death rate in 8 weeks time and also the twelth day in a row where we have seen a 6% mortality rate.

    The Excel-Table:

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    We saw +77,407 new cases today, as compared to yesterday over the day before (+71,151). That is considerably more cases than yesterday and the fifth day in a row that the number of daily cases swung wildly back and forth + or - to each other. The growth rate was 3.13%. Yesterday, the growth rate was 2.96%.

    In terms of deaths: 177,177 total, +7,255 today over yesterday, making for a 4.27% growth rate (yesterday: 2.58%). As with the number of cases, the growth rate in the number of daily deaths has swung wildly back and forth. The death rate, as already noted above, was: 6.94%.

    The % of recovered people rose from 26.07% yesterday to 26.98% at EOD today. The recovery percentage continues to rise incrementally. This tells me that more and more cases are being resolved. But since the death rate is also staying at a high peak, the cases are being resolved in one of two ways, which we already know will happen, but the intensity of this phase of the pandemic, namely, resolution, after having reached a low point twice, is climbing again.

    And per country, most of the countries, first per total cases, (1,000 cases or above):

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    There are, as was the case yesterday, 81 nations in the "thousand club. Of those 81, 27 are now in the "10,000 club" and 6 of them are at 100,000 or more (USA, Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the UK). Turkey, now with 95,600 cases, will very soon join the 100,000 club. Spain went over the 200,000 mark today. The USA crossed over 800,000 cases today and at this rate of growth, should hit the 1 million mark in 6 days.

    Russia has jumped from 47,100 to 52,800 cases- another very large daily jump, but the actual number of cases there may be considerably higher.

    India, which joined the 10,000 club Monday, has jumped from 18,500 to 19,000, whereas Pakistan went from 8,300 to 9,500. India has more than 4 times the population of the USA but yet, has administered 10-times fewer tests.

    Sweden, which is doing no social-distancing, but rather, is banking on the "herd immunity" theory, has jumped to 15,300 case in almost no time.

    Japan, which appears to be subscribing to the same kind of experiment as Sweden, one again reported no numbers today.

    Brasil has jumped from 40,600 to 43,100 cases. Brasil was the only South American country to see this mega-explosion in the numbers, which is in and of itself a horror story, as Brasil is in the Southern Hemisphere, which means they are currently in their fall, going into Winter - there should under normal circumstances not be any cases there yet. But Ecuador just crossed over the 10,000 line yesterday, so two South American nations are in the 5-digit zone.

    A number of countries under the 10,000 mark are starting to report considerably more daily cases and so I am pretty sure that the number of countries at and above 10,000 is about to grow quite a bit this coming week.

    Bulgaria, Tunisia, Ivory Coast and Djubuti are up next to cross the 1,000 line in the next days.

    And here, first per new deaths today, in descending numerical order, then in total deaths and then in total new cases, also descending.

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    The USA had the most deaths today: 2,612. That is more deaths than yesterday, which reported 1,648 at EOD my time. The most disturbing thing about the death numbers out of my homeland is that other hotspots have reported a doubling or tripling of deaths over yesterday, so NYC is no longer the main driver of these statistics. UK had 828.

    To put this into perspective:

    1.) the current number of confirmed COVID-19 cases = closing in on the the population of Chicago, IL (USA), also the population of Praetoria (South Africa).

    2.) The current number of deaths = very close the population of Eugene, OR (USA) or the population of Saint-Etienne (France).

    3.) The current number of recovered = the population of Nashville, TN (USA) or slightly under the population of Bristol (England). This is how big these numbers have become.

    With the crazy fluctuations of the last full week, either in number of new cases or number of daily deaths, no one can say with any credibility what the "curve" is doing, or not. Wait and see. But the curve appears to be, when you look at the long-run, logistical and no longer exponential. The largest cause for concern is the continual uptick in the death rate. And the uptick in daily deaths is not a good sign, either.

    -Stat
     
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    All nations had the same information at the same time.
     

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