Trump’s ‘zero tolerance’ policy is effectively dead

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 2014 Feinstein wrote a letter to Obama outlining the broad powers he had to stop illegal immigration including detention. Today she is fighting against her own opinion. Such is TDS.
     
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    Feinstein is facing a primary challenger who's gaining a lot of traction. Dianne needs to become a champion of the resistance regardless of her personal views. Dianne refuse to sign off on her committees resolution to subpoena Comey and Lynch, and it's not the first time she's obstructed. Comey declined a congressional "invitation" last week, and McCabe invoked the 5th. How that doesn't justify issuance of subpoenas is a mystery to everyone ... except Feinstein.
     
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    Religious leaders, even those of the far-right, as well as numerous Republican politicians have rejected Trump's bureaucratic abduction of children about which he lied and tried to blame others.

    He failed. The pathetic pr campaign to demonize these families has fizzled.

    Prioritizing the exclusion of criminal elements and the deportation of any undocumented person who commits serious crimes remains the public consensus.

    Partisan Democrats are delighting in the panic of GOP candidates fearing that they will reek of Trump®Stink in November, but restoring America's moral integrity is a far greater national priority.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Deflections, digressions, and fraudulent equivalencies to days of yore, however cherry-picked, provide no escape.

    The immediacy of the moral depravity inherent in Trump's failed policy remains the public concern.
     
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    You mean following the democrat law.
     
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    As a purely political, amoral issue, the right wing "American Spectator" recognizes what a disaster Trump's policy of bureaucratic child abduction is likely to be for GOP candidates in November.

    The blind veneration of the Trump cult prevents its disciples from making such a reasoned, ultra-conservative assessment. Their Trump worship is emotional, not rational.

     
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    They do provide context however to properly assess the party that doesn't want the Flores decree amended because it will take away a valuable tool against a president they are afraid of.
    The left's crocodile tears and fake outrage belie their actions.

    Trump's attempts to actually enforce United States immigration law are hindered by an ACLU negotiated decree that says the government cannot hold the children of criminals over forty days.
    So I guess the options are catch and release, Obama policy, or set up expedited immigration courts which wouldn't solve the problem
    of what to do with children when the parents take them along as they commit crimes.
     
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    Like their leaders, they don't know what they want, don't know what they have, but don't like it anyway. They are children having tantrums but, unfortunately, they are children in adult bodies and are becoming very dangerous.

    We just passed the anniversary where Republicans having baseball practice were targeted by a Leftist, where Steve Scalise almost died, we see Antifa destroying property and attacking people, refusing free speech, protesting on the lawns of politicians and not allowing them to have a quiet dinner in a family restaurant.

    These are a large group of people who have substituted feelings for facts and ignorance for knowledge. They're going down a very dangerous path but have no idea where it will lead them.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/23/r...ush&utm_source=daily_caller&utm_campaign=push
     
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    If the children and parents go to one of the 30 immigration entries in Texas they will stay with their parents and can apply for asylum. It's only those who try to swim across the river, or otherwise enter illegally, who are separated from their children.
     
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    Right. And his approval ratings among Blacks is rising also, as they should. Only Leftists and foreigners want more illegal immigration in the US.
     
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    Socialists accept that equality is only achieved through universal suffering. So long as everyone is equally impoverished, poverty is completely acceptable. The real kicker is that socialists insist everyone should voluntarily contribute for the common good while vehemently opposing work requirements to qualify to receive social benefits. There are idiots proclaming robots will free us from our labors, and that this socialist utopia of automation will make us all gentlemen of leisure. :roflol:
     
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    Democrats are the party for really stupid people.
     
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    Yeh, they don’t really care for anything but votes.
     
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    Excuses abound, however feeble. Hyper-partisans lashing out at an imaginary "left!" that features religious leaders - even ones of the far-right - is laughable.

    The current, dismal reality concerns a Republican President incapable of exercising leadership over a Republican-run Senate and a Republican-run House to enact sensible, effective, compassionate legislation to deal responsibly with families fleeing horrific circumstances.

    Once again, Trump's desperate, irrational behaviour precludes a coordinated approach the reflects America's traditional moral values and is deserving of the support of the American people.

    Of course, Trump is not depending on public support in November; other Republican politicians are.
     
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    America's moral integrity, in part, means that our nations laws mean something. Progressives interpret that only means when they agree with the laws. If we want to be a lawless nation, then I will stop paying taxes, drop all my business licensing and required insurance and compete on a level playing field with those that hire illegals and illegals that compete with law abiding citizens. O f course I can't do that because I am a white Christian American and the IRS would seize my bank accounts quicker than a cat could lick his a@#!!!! How dare you talk of moral integrity, especially against those that want to enforce our Nations ability to enforce who comes here and who is eligible for our nations "giveaway prorams". Most of the children you speak of came here without parents anyway. The question is and remains.....how did they traverse the length of Mexico themselves without the assistance of evil intent??? Mexico usually jails illegal invaders because they actually "enforce" their borders but they actually assist in the invasion of the United States! Who is behind this we must ask??? Why isn't Mexico a country of sanctuary??
     
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    Right :roll:
    Because everyone knows there is no monolithic DNC controlled, corrupt media supported political entity at the base of this whole
    faux political tempest. See, hear and speak no evil when Obama warehouses the children of illegals. Not quite the same standard for Trump, however.

    Gee! If only a guy from the democrat party was more interested in bipartisan solutions than using little children as his political pawns. If only.

    Trump IS exhibiting America's traditional moral values through
    his attempts to actually enforce immigration law. I'm sure the people who patiently wait in line and do things the legal and just
    way appreciate the weeding out of all the law breakers trying to cut into line ahead of so many others.

    And if he wasn't hobbled by the ACLU's Flores consent decree, forcing him to turn loose children held after forty days because parents are in custody, we wouldn't have this problem.
    Actually if there weren't millions of illegal immigrants making crime a family business we wouldn't have this problem at all.
    And Charles Schumer isn't interested in helping the children out. He has more use for them as pawns.



    Exactly! So republicans must buckle under to the weepy, hypocritical crap storm of leftist agitprop and the problem will go on and on and on
    and on some more just like it has since the Reagan administration, at least!

    The curse of our illegal immigration problem will never end because the democrats have no incentive to do anything about it.
    So just like when Obama was releasing the children of illegal immigrants to human traffickers just to get them off his hands
    Trump is now caught between disingenuous neo Stalinist blather and the Flores decree agreement that damns him whether he does something or not.
     
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    Of course they mean something. The reality is that they are exercised with discretion, common sense, and compassion, not a blind fanaticism. That is why there is not, even under Trumpery, an intensive nationwide manhunt to immediately track down, incarcerate, imprison, prosecute, and deport the estimated 11 million undocumented folks who are peacefully living and working in their communities across the US.

    If you need to makes such phony proclamations and label every Republican, first lady, ultra-conservative religious leader, and the majority of decent Americans who object to Trump's bureaucracy snatching children from their families "progressives", you can, but it's obviously not true.

    Whether you want a lawless - or a heartless - nation, most patriotic citizens clearly want neither.

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    At least WaPo issued a correction to the fake news.

    An earlier version of this alert incorrectly stated the Trump administration was suspending prosecutions for parents of migrant children. Decisions about whether or not to prosecute are the purview of the Justice Department. The senior Customs and Border Protection official quoted in this article describes only how that agency’s operations would change to no longer refer parents of migrant children to the Justice Department for prosecution.
     
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    It's never about what's good for the country, although to a leftist "bad for the country" is the preferred option! The real agenda here is to obstruct, infect and diminish the U.S. at any cost!
     
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    I checked today.................still alive.
     
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    Your diversion to Republicans who, after years of intensive congressional hearings into a politician of bygone days, could not contrive any indictable offenses fails.

    - although you can always take the matter up with Darrel Issa or Trey Gowdy if you are still brooding over it.
     
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    I legitimately don't understand this sordid logic. When someone protest about illegals what's the point of basically saying " lol whites do bad stuff to"? In this instance the person showing illegals may not all be dreamers but nightmares and you post images of white people with confederate flags.
     
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    It's an error in fact, judgement and logic to claim that no indictable charges could have been brought against Ma Clinton.
    But I'm sure you know better though you'd rather not admit it.

    The fact that Al Capone went on a ten year murdering and extortion spree, and was only brought down on tax evasion charges
    finally, doesn't mean Capone didn't commit "any indictable offenses" for all that time he was head of the Chicago mob.
    Not indicted does not mean not guilty.

    There is plenty of evidence that Clinton lied to congress and the FBI, destroyed evidence and flaunted all sorts of security laws
    in her time as Secretary of State. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/d-c-rutledge/fbi-clinton-was-extremely_b_10818458.html
     
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    Trump signed an executive order on Thursday that will require "catch and release."


     
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    There are no laws that are enforced 100 the time or even close. Immigration laws are never going to be rigorously enforced because the US lacks the manpower to patrol the border and because key us industries, most obviously much of the farming relies nearly exclusively on them.
     

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