Trump and religious liberty -- Militant atheists have met their match with our president

Then secularists and atheists should not be allowed to legislate their brand of morality as well!

 

they don't. legislation can only be based on the constitution.

 

It is you that is uneducated with respect to Law and the constitution.

https://nccs.net/blogs/articles/the-declaration-of-independence-part-of-american-law

You running around crying "NO NO NO" the Professor is lying - does not support your claim.

 

and where it is compatible with Christianity, guess you'll just have to live with it.

 

yes, I am aware that your blog author is also as misinformed as you are. The DOI, has exactly zero legal weight. This is in no way debatable. This is reality. The laws of this land are made under and enforced by, the US constitution.

 

Only if it falls under the constitution. We can't and don't pass "Christian" laws in this country. The constitution precludes it.

 

And once again you do nothing but repeat your claim - over and over - like a broken record - as if this constitutes proof of claim.

Have you never heard of the Rule of Law mate ? "Equal Justice Under the Law" . You probably have no idea what the founding principles are but, rest assured they are part of what formed and what are used to interpret law in this nation.

Your claim that these principles have "no weight" is abject falsehood.

 

please point out to me a law passed purely on the assessment that it was the morality of an atheist.

 

I don't understand what you would like me to say different? The DOI has exactly zero legal weight. That is a demonstrated legal fact. That is not in any way debatable.

it's a demonstrable fact the DOI has no legal weight. All rulings are based on the constitution, not the DOI. Sorry.

 

I would like you to 1) back up your claim with a coherent argument = something other than repetition of premise 2) address information and examples contrary to your claim with something other than repetition of premise.

Either do that - or go away.

Would you accept something as truth based simply on someone claiming "this is truth" - and claim repetition ? of course not - yet you expect others to accept this from you.

 

I've already done both of those.

nah I'll keep pointing out you are incorrect if you wish to keep claiming the DOI is a legal document with legal weight in the US.

I haven't done that, of course. I've quite clearly shown you that the DOI does not have any legal weight what so ever.

 

Simple..... Roe Vrs.Wade.

 

Bull twaddle - many Christians and of other faiths are in favor of R v W. You simply do not understand the founding principles.

You would rather law be made on the basis of Religious belief - like the Islamist's. No excusing you of that.

 

So when did Trump best represent Christianity, when he was screwing the porn star or grabbing women by their *****?

 

What a lot of indoctrinated poppycock nonsense. Secularist believe that the state should be separate from the church, and the church should stay separate from the state. https://www.secularism.org.uk/what-is-secularism.html Our founding fathers saw firsthand, the effects that the Church of England had in influencing decisions made in matters of the state. They did not want this to happen in the New Government. With thousands of different religious denominations, nothing would ever get done. If all churches want to be federally funded, then they should abandon their 501c3 status, and START PAYING TAXES like the rest of us. Simply saying that this is a Christian Country, just ain't good enough. If you want a Theocratic government to decide what life you should have, then there are 7 governments left in the world to choose from. Secularism, is an ideology, that is, more specifically, a form of separation that makes religion PRIVATE, while making POWER and REASON public.

Atheists are people who do not blindly accept, that any imaginary God(s) exists. They simply ask for proof of existence, before they blindly accept the premise that a God(s) exists. If anyone could provide, just one piece of objective verifiable evidence, there would no longer be any atheists. But even God Himself, couldn't convince a Theist that He didn't exist.

What is this special brand of morality, that is limited only to Atheists and Secularists? Just more bigoted fear-mongering without evidence. Maybe you should take the Hitchens challenge, "..name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever? And, "..can any reader of this think of a wicked statement made, or an evil action performed, precisely because of religious faith?" I can certainly think of the many immoral, wicked and sick actions(genital mutilations, beating children, breeds intolerance and elitism, use God to excuse passive immorality, genocide and war, impose fake sin, etc.), committed precisely because of religious faith.

So if you choose to believe in the power of prayer, eternal life, sins of the Father, miracles, God(s), ghosts, fairy tales, heaven and hell, or the Loch nest monster, that is your right. So keep it to yourself, and stop trying to shame others, who actually believe, that people making extraordinary claims need to provide extraordinary evidence.

 

No....the basic tenant of faith for atheists and secularists is that we are all an accident of nature. We are expendable. Margaret Sanger made it clear that abortion would eliminate undesirables.... a culling of the race if you will. In America, anyone can call themselves a Christian. Just join a Church or wear a cross. Even Madonna can do that. Real believers believe life has a purpose and God knew each one as He knitted them together in the womb. The casual value of life is a view through the lens of the godless. Our society reflects that at all levels. Murder and suicide rates increase as we go down the slippery slope.

 

Your defense is typical and what one would expect from the godless. I am well familiar with it...."the belief that there is nothing greater than the space between your own two ears".

 

Snipped this part to highlight it. No truer words have ever been said.

 

The Church did not influence decisions made in the matters of the State.
King James himself "authorized" the Bible. The State controlled the Church. The Church only reflected what the State wanted it to. You've got it backwards. That is precisely why Quakers and other groups left....to pursue a faith uncontrolled by the State!

 

What exist between the space between my ears, is a conceptual zero dimensional thought representation, of anything that I can imagine to be real. But my subjective conception of reality, does not equate to the reality, outside of the space between my ears. I can conceive of a bright red apple inside of my head, but I can never make that apple exist outside of my head. Right? You can convince yourself that Santa Clause and Unicorns exist in your head, but they still will not exist outside of your head. Unless, you can give just one example of the paranormal, the supernatural, a violation of the laws of nature, a miracle, or just one verifiable example of the power of prayer. Surely, out of all the billions of people, thousands of religious beliefs, and over the entire history of mankind, there must be at least one verifiable objective piece of evidence you can cite? My personal belief, is that people fear the certainty and permanency of death, and want desperately to believe that there is something else beyond death. Unfortunately, you need to die first to find out. I suppose that there is some emotional security in numbers, but the evidence is overwhelmingly against. Atheists are quite comfortable with what they DO know, not in what they can't possibly know.

What is so sad, and ironic, is that every person alive today already knows what happens when they are dead. They have all been dead for an eternity, and then woke up. So why should anyone fear another eternity of non-existence? Death is painless. But living a lie in life, can be the worst pain imaginable

Please understand, calling me godless, is the same as calling me profane and wicked. Do you think that all people who don't believe in a God, are wicked and profane? Is this what a "real Christian" believes? In my opinion, you are exactly what religions breed. Intolerance, elitism, bigotry, hatred, racism, eugenics, insecurity, obedience, and the discouragement of critical thinking and individualism. A hive mentality if you will.

So, unless you can demonstrate the existence of anything that exists outside of our physical reality, then Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Abominable Snowman, carry the same level of credibility to any Atheist. So please, give me a reason to believe that a God(s) exist, other than just as a mental construct. What is the evidence that makes God a part of my physical reality?

I realize that this has nothing to do with the topic, so I won't belabour the points. History has clearly shown, that facts and evidence are always avoided like the plague, by the Godfearing. You have certainly proven to be part of that testament.

 

Total nonsense.... "godless is merely what you yourself claim to be." Try not to be so sensitive. Then to go on and insult "religions" due to your own sensitivity is beyond the pale.

 

Very well stated!

 

You are way off the page. Not sure even where to begin. It is not that I do not get what you are saying - and perhaps agree in some respects - it is just that your comments do not relate well to what I said.

1) You are conflating the usage of the term "Secularism" - A) when used to describe a System of Gov't - as per the founding principles - B) when used as a label by the religious right to describe both real and perceived anti religious social or political sentiment.

You are also conflating negative with positive law. Rules that prohibit intervention/Law by Gov't vs law that allows intervention.

A) Prior to the enlightenment - there was only theocracy in Europe - and it had been that way for 1000 years or more.

So what was the "enlightenment" ? - these folks tried to come up with a system - whereby authority of the State/Leader - came not from God. Something other than "Divine Right" - humans speaking for God.

There can be no argument with "God Says so" - which is why "God says so" is not a valid justification for law.

The founders will sum the rest up for me.

When philosophic reason is clear and certain by intuition or necessary induction, no subsequent revelation supported by prophecies or miracles can supersede it.-- John Adams, from Rufus K Noyes, Views of Religion, quoted from from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88 ) , from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965) p. 258

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

Law then - is not to be justified on the basis of "God says so" - that is Secularism beginning and end. Black White. You either say yes or no to the question.

The above is protection from religious tyranny - The legitimate authority of Gov't in our system - comes not from God - but from "we the people".. consent of the governed.

It is about what the Gov't can't do - not what you are talking about ... or some law or regulation that the Gov't can do.

This creates the bar/boundary - between what is legitimate Gov't authority - and what is not. In the world of "God Says so" - some human's interpretation of what God thinks sets that bar.

So .. which side .. do you chose "Secularism" - authority from the People ... or some brand of Theocracy - authority from God -

 

The title of this thread is truly a testiment to Trump's skills as a con man. At no time is there evidence of his actions being influenced by what Jesus would do. Jesus taught that someone who lives by God's law without knowing God will live eternal life but those that claim to know God but don't live by His law won't.