Trump announces rule requiring hospitals to reveal rates

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    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

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    logistics... take mri as an example, there are literally thousands of different levels/types of scans, each with it's own price point... it isn't like venapuncture
     
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    "Trump announces rule requiring hospitals to reveal rates"

    doesn't mater, they will just set artificially high rates, then offer discounted rates to insurers

    unless you have no coverage, you will never know the real rates, and because of this, people with no coverage will actually pay more

    I have coverage, I have never asked the cost prior to service, I know what my co-pay will be, ect.....
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So are cars.
     
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    yep, and most have no clue as to what those features mean nor what they do, nor the consequences of choosing to eliminate a feature or three...

    do you really believe that letting the patient decide on which scan they want, based solely on price...

    nutz without the shell
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe the reason people are so sick is the Standard American Diet the government pushed on the American people under Nixon, the President that just keeps on giving

    sadly government dietary recommendations are based more on economics than health

    this is starting to change now that health is effecting economics

    though the Trump admin is trying to end this cost the wrong way

    "Trump Official Says Diabetes a Preexisting Condition Not Worthy of Coverage"


    https://insulinnation.com/living/tr...t-a-preexisting-condition-worthy-of-coverage/
     
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    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

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    it's the preservatives and artificial ingredients allowed, to allow for a longer 'shelf life' (aka profits)...

    a multi-partisan agreement
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Says the people who want the state to make all the decisions.
     
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    Yet if you do know, or care, you can get that information.

    Yes, I think people would like to know if the same medical procedure in two different hospitals costs 5 times more at one of them.

    How can you have a discussion on "reducing medical costs" if you have no idea how much it SHOULD cost.
     
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    yes, I disagree with republicans, I do not want big government that decides for people... I am pro-choice
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LoL you literally support using taxpayer money for elective abortions mandated by the government.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no I do not, why lie, I do support government help of a poor woman whose life is at risk without said abortion such as tubal pregnancy or was raped, sure

    I also think every rape kit should include a plan b medication, the victim can choose to use it or not - it would prevent the need for many abortions imo

    you want the government to decide for women, I what the woman to decide for herself, it's a personal choice
     
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    I'm familiar with the standard line.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    are you against abortion in the case of tubal pregnancies or rape?
     
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    yep, like the heavily processed seed oils and high sugar in the American diet

    processed food is the worst offenders
     
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    costs are different everywhere, based on 'supply & demand'... hospital 'a' buys the ct machine for the same price as hospital 'b', yet hospital 'a' only uses it a few times due to it being in a small community, while 'b' uses it dozens of times every day in the big city... ' scan at hospital 'a' should cost many times more than at hospital 'b'...

    unless your suggesting that all medical equipment be paid by federal tax dollars instead of the hospital itself
     
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    Please keep pretending that the lefts stance on abortion has anything to do with tubal pregnancies or rape.
     
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    I'm suggesting that transparency in pricing is and could never be a negative.

    Literally nothing else we purchase in life is hidden from us is a good guide stone in that argument, to include other forms of insurance.
     
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    didn't think you would answer.....
     
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    knowing what they charge as a base rate and what it will actually cost the insurer are two different things

    most people know what their insurer will make them pay regardless of the cost

    now insurers may start dictating what doctor you can use based on this - guess you might not be able to keep your doctor
     
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    Why is it two different things.
     
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    I did answer. You're not fooling me with a response that is less than 1% of all abortions, and that's if we include incest.
     
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    the base cost the hospital would change and what your insurance company actually pays and you actually pay
     
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    so you support those abortions?

    why should a daughter be forced to have her father's child?

    of course incest is included in rape, if it's a rape.. it's a rape
     
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    Why would it change.

    What's the difference between me paying for the same procedure my insurance company pays?

    In the MRI example I used earlier, not using insurance for an MRI was $400. Why would I pay $1000 out of pocket for using my insurance?
     
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    You're presenting a false premise on the lefts beliefs regarding abortion. I'm not engaging in your false narrative.
     

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