Trump Calls 'Hoax' on Nuclear Documents Report, Urges Warrant Release

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  1. yardmeat

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    I disagree with your assumption that former presidents are above the law and that the rule of law is "fascist."
     
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    There's enough evidence for trump appointed FBI director Wray to sign off on going in and checking out what documents he stole.
     
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    He didn't pack the boxes, the GSA did, and shipped them to him, and he secured them in same kind of classified storage area that the offices of all former presidents are equipped with. The FBI/DOJ had free access to them, when they requested this or that, Trump promptly gave them what they requested. When they asked for a bigger lock the securing room, he promptly had it installed and agreeably communicated that them.

    The FBI/DOJ's rationale for the raid makes no sense because they are lying. These justifications are pretextual. Their concealed purpose is a floor to ceiling hunt for anything that they can use to support felony charges for violent crimes based on the theory that Trump knew that he lost, that he was lying when he claimed the election was stolen and used what he knew to be false claims to launch a violent attack on Congress to prevent their recognition of the president elect to prevent the orderly transition of power. That's what they want have to justify bringing felony indictments for violent crimes against Trump during the election season.

    So, I wouldn't get to hung up on the "classified docs" crap, Trump has inherent unhindered declassification power, there will be no indictments for mishandling classified information. Also do not get hung up of the Presidential Records Act "violations", this is not a criminal statute though the FBI/DOJ is pretending it is, just for Trump, to support their pretextual warrant that allowed them to ravage Mir-a-Lago and even go through Melania's drawers.

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    Exactly.
     
  5. Junkieturtle

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    That what happens sometimes when you conduct an investigation. The whole point of the investigation is to establish whether there is NOTHING or SOMETHING. If you already knew the answer, there would be no need to investigate.

    The accusations of Russian collusion were made by the media and some politicians without evidence to back up the claim. Those people were indeed wrong.

    However, the possibility of Russian collusion was not made-up or a scam. That was why an investigation was conducted.
     
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    Utterly ridiculous. There has to be reasonable evidence to justify an investigation. You can't claim the 2 year $40million totally harassing investigation was justified because there MIGHT be something there.

    You can't claim "fill in the name" must be investigated because you heard a rumour somewhere that there might be something wrong.

    And they DID KNOW THE ANSWER because there was nothing to the accusation, and they knew they MADE UP the "evidence".
     
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    Funny how the MAGA folk never ask themselves WHY Trump took top secret documents in the first place, or WHY Trump didn't turn over ALL the documents
    when he turned in the first batch ...

    It's like complaints by a bank robber that he can't be searched because he gave back half the money that he stole ... WTF.
     
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    A. It's legal as defined by the courtesan the present laws of the US.

    B. It was unethical for Trump not to have turned in ALL the documents he took when he turned in the first batch. If he had done that, there
    would have been nothing for the Trump family to have snitched on Donald about. Hello, Jared.
     
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    2 years, 10s of millions of dollars spent and the man didn't know who Fusion GPS was when asked. The investigation was an unnecessary charade.
     
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    That's something only a partisan trying to protect Trump at all costs would say.
     
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    Yes, we like posting facts.
     
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    Hmm seems everyone is asking the same thing, give us a look at the avadavat and let's see what these documents are all about. I mean the government in America has to prove the crime and intent, so if you got the goods like all the lefties are saying, make a f'ing arrest and let's get to it. Or are they going to play the Russian hoax thing again and drip drip drip BS through the media to score fake media points.
     
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    Facts are good. Myself, I'm waiting for more facts about what the FBI found and whether Trump did anything illegal. It's true that I think the man is a snake, is probably a criminal, and should not be trusted to throw away a used gum wrapper let alone be trusted with sensitive documents. But I separate my emotion and opinion of Trump from what the evidence shows and my objective opinion on his guilt. Right now, I don't believe that we the public have enough information to make a definitive determination either way regarding the raid and possible illegal actions.

    But the way this is being discussed on the internet all starts with one of two conclusions and works backwards from there. Either you think Trump is guilty and the raid is just the latest proof or you think he's innocent and some kind of victim and that everyone is out to get him and he has never done anything wrong(even if you just limit that belief to his actions as president and ignore his life as a private citizen).

    I'll say this. A man with a personality and behavior like Trump makes enemies pretty damn easily. He's an inflammatory self-promoter who has no concern about honesty, integrity, respect, decorum, ethics, and the law if he can't leverage them for his own gain. No, that doesn't make him guilty be default. And yes, there are folks who are out to get him. But that in no way means he hasn't done things that he deserves to be gotten for. Gangsters make the same claims, that the government is harassing them, that it's out to get them, that they are just innocent victims of persecution. Right up until they are convicted.
     
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    Yet he tried to make contact with Garland !!!

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-sent-cryptic-message-merrick-120733893.html
    "The country is on fire. What can I do to reduce the heat?" was the message Trump wanted to be conveyed to Garland, a person familiar with the exchange told the paper.
     
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    No, thats something anyone with a grasp upon reality would say
     
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    The truth is anathema to the secular progressive elites and the deep state
     
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    The fascist liars are resisting this and are continuing their games at the expense of the American people.
     

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