Trump has NO mandate

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, Nov 23, 2016.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Many Trump supporters and even folks on his team are claiming Trump won a "mandate" to pursue his full agenda.

    This is simply false.

    He lost the national Popular vote by more than 2 million votes.

    He lost the Electoral vote and Popular vote in 20 states.

    The Dems gained a bigger filibuster vote in the Senate.

    Trump only won cause many Democrats stayed home, not cause Republican voters came out in much bigger numbers.

    If we followed the election rules of most nations on Earth, Trump would NOT be the President-elect.


    So no, Trump has no mandate. No more than Bush had in 2001.

    If he's smart, he will not push an extreme agenda. He will moderate every one of his goals and ideas, and I mean every single one.

    Otherwise he is setting up the Democrats to win back the Senate in 2018 and maybe even the House.

    So tread lightly, donald.
     
  2. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    3,235
    Likes Received:
    829
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He's moderating his stances. Congress would be wise to work with him or they'll get canned next midterm.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You guys will whine if he does, in fact many on the left are already whining.
     
  4. Fisherguy

    Fisherguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2016
    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    3,411
    Trophy Points:
    113
  5. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2008
    Messages:
    18,998
    Likes Received:
    3,612
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Mandates are imaginary regardless of who wins or loses.

    The fact is he won and has a majority throughout government.

    I have no idea what agenda he will pursue or whether he will be a good or bad or average president but he can do what he likes and what people elected him for regardless of whether you and the other regressives on the left wing like it. It appears he will not do all he promised on the campaign trail which is not surprising since ALL politicians break their promises and back off from them once they win.

    However the agenda he proposed was NOT extremist even if many details were simply unworkable ( like the fence ).

    He has already done the most important thing which is to pimp slap the hell out of SJWs and PC lefties.
     
  6. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    3,235
    Likes Received:
    829
    Trophy Points:
    113
  7. Fisherguy

    Fisherguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2016
    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    3,411
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Don't worry, I'll get with the new program eventually. Must read Breitbart. Must read Breitbart. Must read Breitbart. Or maybe the Klan's newsletters....
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, i am very aware of this.

    he has moderated or reversed the following stances:

    -deport all illegals.

    -pull out of NATO

    -pull out of climate change accords

    -indict hillary

    -pull out of iran nuclear deal.

    The Democrats are not stupid. They will work with him when they can, and oppose him when they must.

    We are not like the GOP, who obstruct even on issues of agreement, simply for the purpose of obstruction.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I said this a few days ago.

    Even Democrats need to keep this in mind. All this business of, "if we did this or that we would have gotten more votes and won" is reasoning from a false premise, we DID win, but what would have helped us would have been greater turnout of Dems in key states, something rather more difficult to campaign for.
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You don't have a mandate for your agenda, when you lose the Popular vote by MILLIONS.
     
  11. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    3,235
    Likes Received:
    829
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We're building a barrier between us in Mexico, we will send moreresources. We WILL deport all criminal aliens.

    Iran I think we will pull it off the table, but then again Obama screwed it up so bad that we can never get those economic sanctions on them.

    He is going to be hard on all our allies to start lift some of their own load, yet we won't abandon them.

    We will renegotiate the trade deals. We will be hard on China.


    There WILL be tax cuts. Corporate and personal rate.

    We will also invest in infrastructure.

    So yeah democrats and republicans have alot of work to do and must prove themselves. These agenda items are essential and must be done or there will be hell to pay.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Hear hear.

    Though I think it important that we not modify our stances too much, becoming Republican Lite, as it were. Trump and his minions remain radical enough.
     
  13. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2016
    Messages:
    3,235
    Likes Received:
    829
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Still in denial stage, huh?
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    there already are hundreds of miles of barriers on the Mexico border.

    Trump wants to add more. The 2007 comprehensive immigration plan, supported by many Democrats, including hundreds of miles of more fencing.

    big deal.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Obama has already been deporting hundreds of thousands of criminal aliens.

    big deal.
     
  15. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    18,288
    Likes Received:
    6,065
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You know, your predictions this election were so totally off I don't think your opinions are especially valuable.
     
  16. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    17,608
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course he has no mandate. No President does. Not anything the democrats can do about it though. They are locked out of power from top to bottom across most of America. I take it you have given up on disenfranchising all of America with your Electoral College coup now that Thanksgiving has arrived. We will call that Occupy Wall Street II.
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    well, one could argue that if you win the Electoral College by 350+ and the Popular Vote by 10 million+, you have a bit of a mandate for your agenda
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You think Salon is bad.

    This is something I think we're going to see lots more of, really off-the-wall conspiracy theories, stuff like the chain letters Aunt Gertrude sends only at the highest levels, and I think the American people will get tired of that, real fast.
     
  19. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2014
    Messages:
    17,608
    Likes Received:
    2,043
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not if the same voters deliver the Congress to your opponents.
     
  20. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2014
    Messages:
    32,222
    Likes Received:
    12,253
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We've been saying for months that if elected, he's lean a little more moderate. After all, he hasn't been a Republican for long.
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    they won't, if Trump Dumps 20 million people of their health insurance.
     
  22. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    -Trump won't run
    -Trump will drop out of the race
    -Trump will never win the nomination
    -Trump is a shill for Hillary
    -Trump will not be President.....

    And now we are supposed to believe Trump does not have a mandate.....hahahaha!
     
  23. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    you can't lose the Popular vote, by MILLIONS, and still say you have a mandate,

    not unless you're an arrogant liar, which donald is.
     
  24. Borat

    Borat Banned

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    23,909
    Likes Received:
    9,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Regardless of what you think, he"ll govern as if he has a mandate, and rightly so and there is not a damn thing you will be able to do about it. You will have your next opportunity in 2020, meanwhile in 2018 Trump will have a shot at a filibuster proof majority.
     
  25. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes, as he is an arrogant piece of (*)(*)(*)(*), who thinks the Constitution is toilet paper and will use the White House to enrich himself.

    #NotMyPresident
     

Share This Page