Trump Jr makes light of Native American genocide

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    How do you know Kavanaugh didn't do what Ford said he did? I think it's reasonable to extend Kavanugh the benefit of the doubt, but you don't have clear evidence Ford is wrong or lying. In fact, it wa entirely reasonable for Ford to approach authorities because other women might step forward with stories of their own.
    You've gone way too far.
     
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    Non sequitur.
     
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    Well indians were "red", that's pretty close to brown, scary stuff ya know. INVDAERS to our country ya know coming across the land bridge to steal lands rightfully ours before we could develop them! Besides they were just Indians right? It's not like they were American good white chrristian folk, and it was forever ago, people should get over it ya know right?[/sacasm off]
     
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  4. LangleyMan

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    Your claim is...

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  5. markjs

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    We need to build walls around the reservations now, don't ya think? Those people are savages, of course we'll have to allow alcohol vendors through. *Wink*:roll:
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    You unfamiliar with the term then. I was agreeing with you and enlarging on your idea.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well we know a couple of Republicans who don't support eVerify. Heather Nauert and Donald Trump
     
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    Did you forget to post the part where he made
    light of Native American genocide?
     
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    Republicans don't believe in history as much as that great fiction writer Howard Zinn does. Zinn made a career of accusing white people of horrific acts which aren't documented anywhere but in his own mind. Hide true history, write a history a book full of lies, force enough students to read it and you have nothing but non-historical fiction meant for nothing but to instigate hatred of white people.
    Cortez was one of the first European people to reach the Central American shores. According to the letters he sent home, Central America were sparsely populated due to internecine warfare, and wide-spread human sacrifice. Read 'popular' history of that time and place and you are told 50 million indigenous people were wiped out in massacres perpetrated by the so-called Conquistadors.
     
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    We have a Cortez in Congress claiming she is a native.
     
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    While you are correct that Trump does not give a hoot about the Native Genocide. This has zero to do with racism per say.

    It is important to shoot one's arrows straight on this issue. Trump is an adherent of Eugenics ideology - in particular "Social Darwinism".
    While this ideology has been used as justification for racism - this is not necessarily the case and so it is fallacy to call all adherents of eugenics ideology racists.

    Why this is important is that all of Trumps moves can be understood if one understands this ideology - and Trump is far from the only adherent among the Establishment.

    Social Darwinism is a favorite ideology among the elite as justification for maintaining the current order. This ideology posits that advancement, or lack thereof, of individuals in society is due to strengths or weaknesses in character and that these are rooted almost solely in ones genes.

    Trump did not get to where he is because of "daddy's money", or Soros and the Rothschilds bailing him out - he got there because of his superior genetics - goes the narrative.

    Structures and hierarchy in society are the natural outcropping of the genes desire to survive - "survival of the fittest" - and to tamper with this hierarchy would then be tampering with the natural order.

    The poor are where they are because they are genetically inferior. The Rich are where they are because they are genetically superior. Kim and Putin are where they are because they are genetically superior. The Natives got what they deserved because they are genetically inferior.

    It was argued - not only back in the late 1800's but today as well - that helping the poor does damage to the natural order and thus damages society in general by encouraging the propagation of inferior genetics.

    This argument is not completely without merit - which is what makes it insidious. There is a statistical tendency in some cases such as genetically inherited disease and perhaps in relation to aptitude in some specific area.

    On the other hand, the idea that the son of some Rich person will necessarily be smarter or better than the son of a poor person is demonstrable preposterous nonsense.

    So in summary - Trump does not give one hoot about the poor. He is an elitist of the highest order and if you are not part of that club you do not matter as much. Trump likes to Golf with Tiger Woods - why would a racist do this ? Tiger is "genetically superior" ..
     
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    Does your 'gift' refer to sports?
     
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    What's wrong Fred ? - is "demonization of the other" the only response you can muster when confronted with information that conflicts with your perspective.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you felt 'demonized' you're being far too sensitive.

    Write a shorter post regarding your philosophies and they'll be easier to respond to.
     
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    Just calling a spade a spade mate. That you can not deal with more than short soundbites speaks volumes about your intellectual capacity.
     
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    Internecine warfare and associated genocidal levels of human sacrifice and cannibalism.
     
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    Over 90% of American Indians in North America were wiped out by Desoto's pigs - not genocide.

    Here are a few short excerpts from a very long Atlantic article describing how it happened:

    "From the few cases in which before-and-after totals are known with relative certainty, Dobyns estimated that in the first 130 years of contact about 95 percent of the people in the Americas died-the worst demographic calamity in recorded history."

    "[O]n May 30, 1539, Hernando de Soto landed his private army
    near Tampa Bay, in Florida. ... He came to Florida with 200 horses, 600 soldiers, and 300 pigs....

    ... Soto died of fever with his expedition in ruins; along the way his men had managed to rape, torture, enslave, and kill countless Indians. But the worst thing the Spaniards did, some researchers say, was entirely without malice-bring the pigs....

    After Soto left, no Europeans visited this part of the Mississippi Valley for more than a century. Early in 1682 whites appeared again, this time Frenchmen in canoes. One of them was Rene-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de la Salle. The French passed through the area where Soto had found cities cheek by jowl. It was deserted-La Salle didn't see an Indian village for 200 miles....

    ... Disaster of this magnitude suggests epidemic disease. In the view of Ramenofsky and Patricia Galloway, an anthropologist at the University of Texas, the source of the contagion was very likely not Soto's army but its ambulatory meat locker: his 300 pigs. Soto's force itself was too small to be an effective biological weapon. Sicknesses like measles and smallpox would have burned through his 600 soldiers long before they reached the Mississippi. But the same would not have held true for the pigs, which multiplied rapidly and were able to transmit their diseases to wildlife in the surrounding forest. ...The fact is that what scientists call zoonotic disease was little known in the Americas. Swine alone can disseminate anthrax, brucellosis, leptospirosis, taeniasis, trichinosis, and tuberculosis. Pigs breed exuberantly and can transmit diseases to deer and turkeys. Only a few of Soto's pigs would have had to wander off to infect the forest....

    One reason is that Indians were fresh territory for many plagues, not just one. Smallpox, typhoid, bubonic plague, influenza, mumps, measles, whooping cough-all rained down on the Americas in the century after Columbus. ...

    In 1966 Dobyns's insistence on the role of disease was a shock to his colleagues. Today the impact of European pathogens on the New World is almost undisputed. ...

    To Elizabeth Fenn, the smallpox historian, the squabble over numbers obscures a central fact. Whether one million or 10 million or 100 million died, she believes, the pall of sorrow that engulfed the hemisphere was immeasurable. Languages, prayers, hopes, habits, and dreams-entire ways of life hissed away like steam. The Spanish and the Portuguese lacked the germ theory of disease and could not explain what was happening (let alone stop it). Nor can we explain it; the ruin was too long ago and too all-encompassing. In the long run, Fenn says, the consequential finding is not that many people died but that many people once lived." Charles C. Mann, "1491," Atlantic Monthly, March 2002.

    The serious effort to use genocidal ethnic cleansing to eliminate American Indians in the US did not occur until well after the tribes were removed to the reservation system.
     
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    Two wrongs do not make a right..
     
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    Only two million died in the invasion from 1789-1905. By warfare, disease and that good ol' Christian religion..
     
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    Then you should have zero problem showing us by an example.
     
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    Warfare, disease and evangelism may kill but they are not usually associated with genocide. Unless you are counting the smallpox blankets - which by all accounts were to little to late to have any impact on the American Indian population.
     
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    Yeah right..
     
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    Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
     

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