Trump needs to Go

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    A little over half? No. More like nearly 2/3.

    Healthcare: 27%
    Pensions: 25%
    Welfare: 7%

    Total: 59%
     
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    You're still 7% short of 2/3. And what's this have to do with the Trump's Trade War? Good luck if you think getting rid of people's hard earned pensions is the good and fair way to solve economic problems!
     
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    Money confiscated from my paycheck is not pensions. It's theft.
     
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    Nonsense! You are paying for services rendered. Maybe you should tell veteran military personnel, CIA, and FBI agents who faithfully put their 20-40 years into serving your safety needs that they can go live under bridge. And by the way, Trump's got to go (that's the topic), and you've said nothing about that... so you must be in full agreement. Hah! :)
     
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    SS and Medicare is not voluntary. No one asked me if I want those services. I'm forced to participate. The government confiscating money from my paycheck to pay for their pay-as-you-go Ponzi scheme is theft.
    Only the sore losers want Trump gone. That's expected. Us Trump voters love that he's exposing the deep state corruption.
     
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    He did. Particularly at the end of his administration regarding illegal immigration (Dreamers) and some really disturbing pardons (which are not reversed). And my point is strengthened that although Congress is the, "purse string," and legislative authority Presidential overrides can also steer Federal Law Enforcement and the national economy.
     
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    Running a trade war against our allies leaves us all alone against China and THAT is looking like a loser. As for wanting Trump gone, it's not so much Trump as it is his economic policies and unethical behavior that's troubling so many. Talk about a corrupt deep state. It's spelled, "T R U M P." Many former Trump supporters are turning away from him now. And you complained specifically about paying into Federal pensions, and that flies in the face of our military. When it comes to paying for medicare, I pretty much agree with you. But, again, for the purpose of this topic, running a trade war against our allies leaving us all alone against China is looking like a loser.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have a great imagination. Is it the historic minority unemployment that’s got you down?
     
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    Every fricking thing in the stores says "Made In China". Doesn't that bother you? Doesn't it bother you that one country (China) can have so much leverage against us?
    Who?
     
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    Yes.

    Watch as many FOX News anchors' views become less and less flattering for Trump; more Trump cabinet members are quitting; Trump appointees are reporting his conduct to the IG, and; more than 50% Americans now support the impeachment process. Do you think that any of this DOESN'T include former Trump supporters? Not possible. LOL! ;)
     
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    I do. I also have an outstanding grip on reality which is something Trump seems to be, and Juliani most certainly is, lacking. And it's not just minority unemployment but ALL unemployment which are at wonderful lows (except in manufacturing). Why do you single out minority unemployment and why do you think that the low numbers for it should get anyone down? Freudian slip? :)
     
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    All fake news.
     
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    According to the left this is evidence of Trump ruining the country. Oh, and manufacturing growth only slowed.
     
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    LOL! Your way of saying, "No Mas!" Hahaha! :)
     
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    So you think anyone who disagrees with your skewed logic is on the, "left," and thereby must adhere to some bizarre lockstep you've predefined in your own head? Everyone, even on the left, wants a flourishing nation. We all get behind a President who wants to do the right thing for the country (remember how everyone got behind W after 911 attacks?)... Trump is unpopular for many reasons not the least of which are his unethical behaviors and reckless foreign policies. He is also quite vile.
     
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    So you think we should continue to let countries take advantage of ue. Trump is working to come up with fair trades deals it takes time. There was a time in our history when tariffs was al that was needed to run the government
     
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    No, my way of saying....All fake news.
     
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    Those who haven't read our different trade deals with other countries shouldn't criticize Trump for wanting a new deal.
     
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    Same thing.
     
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    Actually, "Ukrainegate" is a very serious matter and "Russiagate" is still a major factor, as it is being investigated in three House committees. That said, back to "Ukrainegate." The President requested the intervention of a foreign power in our Presidential election for his benefit and used extortion to achieve the results he wanted. I would call that a very serious matter. It is also a violation of federal law.

    House investigators released numerous text messages late Thursday night. The texts, which former special U.S. envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker provided investigators during a nearly 10-hour deposition Thursday, reveal that officials felt Trump had placed conditions on Ukraine receiving the military aid that Trump had withheld days before the July 25 phone call. The military aid is needed by Ukraine to fight off Russian aggression, which may explain why Trump withheld it.

    At first the condition was meeting with Trump in Washington. “heard from White House — assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington,” Volker texted Zelensky’s aide, Andrey Yermak, on July 25, hours before Trump and the Ukrainian president spoke on the phone.

    But Trump never committed to a meeting, and it became clear the White House was issuing an escalating series of demands.

    “Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” U.S. Charges D’affaires in Ukraine William B. “Bill” Taylor texted to Sondland on Sept. 1. Sondland swiftly moved the conversation from text messages to a phone call.

    Gordon D. Sondland is the United States Ambassador to the European Union. He is Trump political appointee, having contributed heavily to the Trump campaign. It was his job to protect the President.

    “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” Taylor later texted Sondland on Sept. 9, complaining that the Trump administration’s decision to withhold congressionally approved military aid to Ukraine had already created a “nightmare scenario.”

    “The president has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind,” Sondland replied. “The president is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that president zelensky promised during his campaign I suggest we stop the back and forth by text.”

    On Friday, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson (Wisc.) told the Wall Street Journal that Sondland had told him in late August that the Trump administration’s offer of aid to Ukraine was tied to the country’s willingness to try and dig up dirt on Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.

    This source helped with this report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...365c1b-5a01-4e44-872a-299b67949a5e_story.html

    P.S. I loved the OP. It was excellent.
     
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    Sir with all due respect we can no longer afford to put up with impediments to US goods however they are formulated. These ass clowns could end Trumps tariffs tomorrow simply by removing their own.
     
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    Sorry not Trump appointees. The whistle blowers are long time CIA employees not appointees. AS for our nominal European allies what sort of ally consistently infringes upon the free flow of goods and services between out two countries? Most Trump cabinet members aren't quitting they are getting fired for failure to perform the job they were hired to do. The Trouble is most of them being long time government employees aren't used to the sort of work schedule expected in the private sector of top flight administrators. The glacial pace of just about everything in DC where the Senate basically works a 24 hour weeks and spends most of that time twiddling their thumbs, almost certainly Frustrates the hell out of Trump.
     
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    Actually, everything, including Trump's own actions and words, "Frustrates the hell out of Trump." Since you don’t know who the whistle blowers are, you cannot honestly claim (at least at this juncture) they are not Trump appointees. But the complaints filed with the IG are supported by other appointees’ comments (including Trump himself). And the IG, who is indeed a Trump appointee, determined a dire urgency for bringing Trump’s transgressions to light. The rest of your comment is purely tainted opinion and wishful thinking. Trump’s people are in jail, fired for refusing to perform unethically, and quitting because they don’t want to go to jail. If Trump’s people spent more time getting the job done, and less time covering up his misdeeds and perpetual tweet-storms filled with idiotic statements they could actually accomplish something. But Trump won’t allow anything to happen under him that his fingers are all over. He is, at best, the former micro-manager of a very small family business with little or no team management skills (other than mafia-style intimidation techniques) and zero experience successfully leading large groups of employees such as the US Government. He is anything but a, “top flight administrator.” He, instead runs around talking trash, secretly negotiating campaign support from foreign governments (some are adversaries), and has: run businesses into the ground, refused to pay contractors, and spent his spare time cheating on his wife/wives. Time to get your head out of... the sand. ;)
     
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    Stuff and nonsense There was an NYT article late last week revealed that much.
     
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    The POTUS can only ask for money. The Congress decides whether or not to give it.

    Of course, the POTUS can refuse to sign a budget, but that leads to even larger problems and could be potentially vetoed.

    Those who have hated Trump since Day 1 are going to see a quid pro quo, those who support him will not.

    The fact is, there was no overt quid pro quo in the transcript.

    The Javelin missiles discussed in the call, incidentally, were not part of the aid package.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...-europe-says-more-javelins-will-help-ukraine/
     

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