Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It depends.

    The defendant does not always have an automatic right to a jury trial in NY Executive Law 63(12) cases
    https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/03/trumps-lawyers-forget-check-box/

    It's a little more complicated than a yes or no answer:
    https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump...d-would-have-sought-a-jury-in-ny-fraud-trial/

    It does,, seem, however, had Trump's attorney been more competent, Trump could have had a jury. Habba missed the opportunity to secure one due to her inexperience in civil procedure. She's really a novice, who has no business representing such a high stakes case as this. Trump is a fool for hiring her and one wonders about his own competency for his hiring her. But, crap attracts flies, as the fetid saying goes.
     
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    He had no defense, so might as well just get a lawyer you want to look at lol
     
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    And so the economic demise of New York continues. Why would any company to business in New York?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/letitia-james-sues-jbs-climate-meat-business-new-york-attorney-general-631febb1?mod=MorningEditorialReport&mod=djemMER_h#:~:text=New York Gov,What a racket.
     
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    How many people will lose jobs if the state of New York takes over Trumps holdings in New York.. You trust the government bureaucrats with running his businesses. If New York does this it will have created victims and damages which the New York justice could not produce in the case against Trump. Now that is behavior is that is both stubborn and extremely stupid.
     
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    Then trump should appeal then
    That is his right

    He could likely get the amount lowered but I personally don’t see him getting the case reversed as they have the evidence showing that he openly lied on these documents, which is fraud. That he had testimony against him showing he ordered it to his staff is even more damning.
     
  6. Arkanis

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    One of the worst excuses to defend Trump I've read.

    'We're not going to punish a fraudster because if the state takes back his assets, people will lose their jobs.....'

    Totally ridiculous.
     
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    What we are seeing in New York is a perversion of the principles established in the Constitution and the the use of the rule of law for political purposes. James is now applying that statute in other ways in which it was not intended. And in all progressive policies the lower income people will suffer. Trump will be fine one way or another. James will be fine. Joe the doorman not so much.
     
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    People losing jobs doesn’t bother you.
     
  9. Arkanis

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    I hope NYS starts auctioning off the Orange Stain's properties one second after he fails to post his bond.

    The properties will be sold at auction, probably at a discount. Not one person will lose their job. The new owners will still need them to run and maintain the buildings and the tenants will be paying the new owners. In fact, if they go cheaply, the new owners will be able to offer more competitive prices which will raise occupancy, which will in turn require more jobs to operate the properties.

    Win-win all around !
     
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    That's a TV show. Letitia may still yet find vicitims and damages of her own creation. Plus she is using this obscure law to cause more people to lose their jobs and ability to support their families as is always the result of so-called progressive policies.

    BTW Obama wanted to have the power of Xi - the leader of the Chinese Communist Party for a day. Okay with that?
     
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    NY is doing this to protect jobs. To make sure the state is known as a trustworthy place to do business. That fraud isn’t permitted.
     
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    LOL right. Once again there is only one reason this is the first time in history a suit like this was allowed to progress through the court. Donald Trump, it's political as it gets, and everyone knows it. Biggest fraudulent money grab ever, no victim, no defrauding anyone and you get to pay 350m because your business is registered in that particular state.
     
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    Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times since 1996.

    How many people have lost their jobs because they had him as a boss?
     
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    Especially considering all of the contractors he's stiffed and the other cons he's run.
     
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    Companies will be declaring bankruptcy and leaving the state. New businesses will not be starting up in New York. That's a curious job protection strategy.
     
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    Trump has used the bankruptcy laws in place passed by the legislatures of the respective states to save companies and jobs. Change the law.
     
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    If you think Trump went bankrupt 6 times to save jobs, you're the most naive MAGA on this forum.
     
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    Bankruptcy laws were implemented to allow businesses to recover from adversity saving the companies and saving jobs. You understand that correct??
     
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    The primary purpose of bankruptcy laws is to protect the company from its creditors.
     
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    Should lying on a mortgage application or financial statement be made legal? Yes or no?

    If you answer, no, or are unable to answer — then you agree that justice was done, you just don’t like that it caught your political candidate in the crosshairs.
     
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    Or prohibit him from doing business and fine him. Oh wait, that just happened………
     
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    Been through this before. Not interested in a redux.
     
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    That is not what just happened in New York. And as I posted above from a Wall Street Journal article today Letitia is using the obscure law in other ways to shut down successful New York businesses in direct opposition to what Governor Hochul promised.
     
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    The progressive attempt to unjustly penalize Trump has backfired. Support is for Trump outright among Hispanics and ~ 23% among Blacks. This trial has been self inflicted demise of the Democratic Party chances in the 2024 election.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens...h_pos2#:~:text=One thing Mr,any other group.”
     

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