Trump PAC still paying Melania's stylist $18K a month for 'strategy consulting'

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  1. Arkanis

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    According to the latest FEC filing from Donald Trump's Save America PAC, not only has it paid out $27 million to cover the former president's legal fees as it burns through cash, but it has also funneled more than $100K to Melania Trump's stylist since last July.

    In August, it was reported that long-time Melania stylist Herve Pierre Braillard was the recipient of $108,000 in fees and, despite reports that the former president and his related PACs are spending more than they are taking in, those fees have continued unabated.

    In August, CNBC reported, "The drop in fundraising by the Trump PAC suggests the small-dollar donor operation that has helped the former president and his allies run a political fundraising juggernaut could be dwindling." The PAC reportedly had just $3.6 million in the bank.


    https://www.rawstory.com/melania-stylist/

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    To think that in 2016, Trump said he didn't need donor money to play politics....

    Today, without MAGA money, he'd be on the verge of bankruptcy.

    Because big donors have abandoned him....
     
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    LMAO, this is welfare on steroids! Funded by MAGA !
     
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    I suspect it’s hush money to keep her quiet about what she knows about his grifter family.
     
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    I wonder who does his hair!
     
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    MAGAs who complain that they can’t feed their families might want to think about how much money they are funnelling into Melania’s stylist’s account…!
     
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    Certainly, the left is doing its best to bankrupt him, so they don't have to face him in the election. Kind of like sabotaging your opponent's race car, because you know you will lose if you have to compete on performance. That's a strategy that's acceptable for a military war- but as a political weapon, it reveals you as a weasel that lacks the moral qualities and dedication to qualify for office or power.

    Trump's unswerving dedication to the goal of Making America Great Again is amazing. He stays the course regardless of the hailstorm of attacks, the trash, the claims and damage the left throws at him.
    He refuses to fail.

    He's risking everything for what he believes. Aside from his human faults, the man continues to demonstrate unswerving commitment to his mission and consistency that few presidents have ever had- and Democrats have lacked since the days of Harry Truman and John F Kennedy.

    I've always wondered what the left has against a Great America. Why they hate the idea; why they fear it. Explain it for us.
     
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    Dude, the OP is about the Trump's wife getting groomed at the cost of 18000k a month using donor's money. Considering how rich Donald has always claimed to be and his multiple claims that he would be running using his own money, this just strikes some people as a little off.
    How you make this about the left's alleged aversion to America's greatness rather than what it is, a petty misuse of donor's funds, is totally beyond me.
     
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    I guess there are still people who want to believe this nonsense.

    Four years of the Trump regieme and another four years of constant cofeve has pretty much laid waste to the idea that Donald Trump has any unswerving commitment to any mission other than his own promotion.

    Harry Truman would have spit in Trump’s face and called him a traitor right to his face. Particularly after trump endorsed the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Truman famously said of the press “if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”. Trump, by contrast, was and is the biggest whining and crying snowflake every to occupy the White House.

    Joe Kennedy would have made sure Trump’s name never appeared on a primary ballot in the first place.

    But it is entirely characteristic of trump camp followers to evoke the names of Truman and Kennedy while adoring a man who devoted his politics to betraying their legacies.
     
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    I wonder why she needs that much money for perfectly styled hair? It seems like she is tired of the spotlight anyway and is largely staying away from Trump's presidential campaign. If he got re-elected, I am not even sure of she would move back to the WH, or just stay at MAL.

    In any case, I have several times brought up Trump's 2016 lies of self-funding his campaign. It seems like the MAGA crowd is uninterested discussing the topic.
     
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    First- that payment is not for hairdressing. You may not realize that hairdressers and people with various average professions are also often talented in many other ways, including consulting as to the way to maklet or reach the public.

    The cost of running for office is one thing. The cost of defending yourself from a vendetta attack is something else. Donors are helping with that, and every time they throw another low blow, Trump support grows and more comes in.

    The left's entire agenda has become one of distortion of truth, as a way to gain power over people. It's obvious to anyone willing to look. That seems to be beyond you too, and I wonder why.
     
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    The left must have printed a "Politics for Dummies" book.

    You are entitled to read and believe what they tell you- but you alone are responsible for accepting it.
     
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    The voters kicked him out in 2020....

    Trump doesn't give a damn about Americans.

    His only goal is to escape justice.
     
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    I honestly could not give a flying **** as to how the Trumps spend their PAC money.
    I was merely pointing out that you had made this picayune story about pocket change from the Trump PAC about freedom, liberty, America greatness, and liberal hatred, when it is just what it is: PAC money being spent on petty small things that you would think the Trumps would fund themselves seeing as how they talk that talk but certainly have never gotten close to walking that walk.

    I am not really into gotcha stuff. this is a nothing story, the only reason I joined in was your preposterous attempt to make this about freedom, the American way of life, liberty etc... You easily could have said that a stylist is definietly part of image crafting, which is important, and thus this fits well within proper expenditures. I agree with that. Instead you went with "they hate our freedoms" which was just stupid.
     
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    While it is indeed small and irrelevant stuff- it is the left that putting them on the table, trying to us these things as weapons.
    While there are issues with what's right and wrong, how we do things determines not only what will result; it also tells us about the motives and morals of those involved.

    Unfortunately, when one side starts cheating and there is no authority to keep the game honest- the rules degrade, and the lowest common denominator determines what the defacto rules will be. People with self-respect and integrity don't choose to be in that position, and they don't initiate it- but they do have to respond and deal with it. Lowers the bar for everyone in the game, because of a tolerance for cheats. What does the cheater do? Claims righteousness and calls the other side cheaters. Since the media lost it's ethics and the internet gave every fool on the planet a bullhorn, truth is an endangered and rare species. Bullshit is being sold to the gullible, and mass marketed.

    Some people will reject that, but many will buy it. They too are people not able to self-regulate and earn self-respect; they imagine that feeling successful requires diminishing all those who make you feel otherwise.
    That is selling out your ability to think for yourself which is too common in human nature. We have strong people, and we have weak people. They conduct themselves and live by different rules. Strong people want others to be strong too, because that makes the world we all live in a better place. Weak people are not so happy. They need to diminish the strong, so they can be "equal"- without facing the challenge of improving themselves. Those people are the lawful prey of corrupt politicians. They become the minions, the sheep, the followers the politicians need to gain and keep the power to abuse. This is somewhat like computers- where all have the hardware, but some have corrupted programming and can't fix themselves. With people, doing that fix is possible, but only the person themselves can do it- and that requires courage. A lot of it.

    I learned long ago you can't convince such a person to find some courage and take a look at their own position. It's like a statement Elon Musk made recently- "It's easy to fool people, but almost impossible to convince them they have been fooled."

    The point of the post is not about how the Pac spends their money- it IS about how the left tries to make the most irrelevant things into political weapons. It is about the character void that doing this reveals.
    If you can't handle that, you won't look. I understand that.
     
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    I am completely comfortable with that.

    The “politics for dummies” bit is BS. Something like that should be required reading for trump camp followers. Not one of them, including their beloved could pass a sixth grade civics test.


    But you persist:

    “They become the minions, the sheep, the followers the politicians need to gain and keep the power to abuse.”

    That’s why we used to call them Limbaugh loonies, and now just trump supporters.

    And this:

    “IS about how the left tries to make the most irrelevant things into political weapons.”

    The very essence of a core strategy of right wing political marketing. Selling victimhood to the no nothings with an endless parade of empty and made up conspiracies and imaginary threats.

    Who can forget the way the right wing suckers fell for FEMA Concentration Camps, Jade Helm, imaginary armies of Ebola infected terrorists being trained in Mexico to invade the US (peddling Mexihate always works! That’s why Trump led with it!), the perils of having no incandescent light bulbs, and (another Trump favorite) low flow toilets.
     
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    come on now, many poor people pay for their hair stylists with donations

    oh wait.... are they poor?
     
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    I can't help you get out of the hole you're digging. Your enemy is in the mirror.
     
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    Well that was very eloquent and I am sure took some time to pen with great craft. And I would agree with most of what you are saying. such a shame that you throw it all away when you convince yourself that this it is the left that singly engages in this stuff. I mean, you have climbing up the charts here at PF a thread about the fact that, gasp, Biden uses swear words in private when discussing Trump's callus mocking of a violent assault. I could site litterally twenty such instances from the right in under 10 minutes here. This picayune politics IS a problem, and I agree with you on that, for you to think that it is just one sided show that it is going to be very very hard to convince you that you have been fooled. because you clearly, demonstrably have.

    PS Not sure why you are bringing Elon Musk into that quote. Trying to give it more weight? He may have said it, but he certainly did not pen it. I guess from now on I can go ahead and attach my name to famous quotes?
     
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    The Orange Stain is a con man who hit the lottery. He caters to everything that is nasty and ugly in this country: racism, bigotry, and white supremacy just to name a few. His one and only goal has nothing to do wit this country. He just wants to enrich himself with money and power and he doesn't care who or what he has to sell out to to get it. He also wants to stay out of jail.

    I've always wondered why the right is so gullible as to swallow his act , hook , line and sinker. Are they so desperate for power that they are willing to follow him , lapping up his leavings in hopes of obtaining power that they can't earn themselves because their ideology is so bankrupt as to follow a criminal ?

    Explain it for us.
     
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    When people start throwing rocks at you, they are defining the rules of the attack. Rocks will fly back. Yes, both sides are guilty of many of the less respectable tactics. However- the left is there by choice, the right more because the left made that the name of the game.

    Elon Musk's words are from a Mark Twain quote. He's a current notable, but if you choose the historic original notable, feel free. The phase is certainly a legitimate observation or truth, regardless.

    I look behind the surface; I want to know why people do what they do, who they are- and in doing so, I learn what they are capable of, how they think, and how they will act in the future with substantial accuracy.
    To do this well, the first person you look at is yourself, discover what your faults are to the best of your ability- and go about correcting or compensating for them. That is very difficult, and most people cannot do it.
    The most predictable fact in today's politics is that a large number of people adjust their perception so they don't have to adjust themselves. They choose to believe the things that fit with what they already believe, which relieves them of the possibility of being wrong, of the need to correct. It also ensures they will continue to be wrong. This is why it is so hard to convince people who have been fooled.

    You see what you want to see in things, adjust the perceptions and interpretations to minimize the confrontation they present. Human weakness, human nature. Sometime, it becomes a pandemic flaw.
    Of all the species of life in the world, we are the only ones who do that. We are the only ones who need politics, religions, lawyers, psychologists- and wars. We are also the only ones who poison the earth and use up the natural resources. That regularly cause the extinction of other species. And- the only one in history likely to be the cause of our own extinction.

    We can do better than that- much better. IF we will. But we are going to have to stop lying to ourselves, and start taking full responsibility for ourselves.
    It works like nothing else. I've been teaching how-to do that for a long time.... and while the need is great, the number of people ready and able to learn is small.
    Not within my power to change it for others.

    Trying to illustrate a truth in a simple straight-forward way does not work for such people. Advice from others may help, so you use analogies, you quote well-known people, etc.
    It's usually a waste of time. A person who does not want to change their point of view denies all evidence anyway.
    Not in my power to change that either- but I will speak for what I believe to be true, and I will not falsify evidence or reason for it.
    And- I will change my view if I discover legitimate evidence I am wrong.
     
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    I was being kind when I said "both sides do it", maybe in the hope that since you acknowledge that this is a problem in modern political discourse you would at least acquiess that both sides are to blame in this problem. I see however that you are now taking the-right-does-it-a-bit-to-but-only-because-the-left-made-us route.

    you really think that the vulgarian in charge of the Republican Party who ran with unfounded rumours about Obama's birth certificate, knowingly spreading known falsehoods on his social media accounts, insulting and name calling isn't the culmination of a party that started this mudslinging pettiness in the late 80s? Rush Limbaugh and his cohorts invented that petty spirit that inhabits politics today. The left had to be brought in kicking and screaming into this modern era. Air America, the left wing response to Fox and Limbaugh failed miserably not because the left doesn't know how to entertain (shall we compare left and right wing entertainer success,) but because the left had no stomach for that low level insulting discourse (I gave it about a months worth of listening before deciding I wasn't playing that game). The right, felling left out of main stream media has had a huge success in conspiracy webs sites that reach millions of people every day, far more than the left does.

    I mean, here we are, on a thread about funders money being paid to a stylist and you are criticising the left for making it an issue, saying that this is beneath politics. The right was doing this 24 year ago! remember the Al Gore Naomi Wolf fabrication? The right was doing it ten years ago with the Obama tan suitgate.

    So you to believe that this is uniquely a left thing that the right is only responding to is mind boggling.
    Does this count as legitimate evidence for you? Cause I can go on, but I'm afraid you are in the latter category of denying all evidence. I guess time will tell.

    PS It wasn't a Mark Twain quote either.
     
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    I did look up the quote, and I did find it credited to Twain. It is of course an obvious truth to open minds, and Twain may not be the first to have said it.

    What I said- is what I see, what appears to be the reality, and I would be critical of any candidate of any party where I felt their flaws or character would prevent them from doing the best job.
    If Harry Truman, a staunch democrat in his time, were running today- I'd vote for him. He was a strong believer in responsibility; there was a signon his desk in the white house, that said "The Buck Stops Here". If you are too young to know, that refers to a common saying of "Passing the buck", shifting responsibility to someone else. I couldn't vote in his time, I was a kid. My grandmother saved all the papers from those days which I still have.

    I've voted for as many democrats as republicans for president. However- the democrats of today are not comparable in motives or character to the democrats of the past. The old democrats would not vote for the democratic candidates of today. I'm an independent, because neither side is well aligned with my values. I expect better- but politics will always be compromised by the need to get votes. When the values of the people are compromised and degrade, the politician will take advantage of it- and some of them will promote it.

    The character of parties changes with the people in it. Each generation seems to bring us more of the people who expect things to be done for them, instead of insisting on the right to do for themselves. That process is also connected to the average life of a democracy being 200-250 years (America is 256) which ends when people begin to see government as a provider rather than a caretaker. If the party's appeal is attractive to the less responsible, and there are enough of such voters- the government becomes less responsible. This is gravitational; putting irresponsible people in power will promote more irresponsibility in people, and will increase the vote for that kind of leader. That is what kills a democracy. That means it compromises values and tolerates marginal logic, then marginal conduct- and the more they do so, the further separate themselves from the ability to serve the nation as a whole. They pretend to be caretakers, attract the people who will sell their vote, and their independence- for a promise. Sadly, this is what today's democrats have become.

    No democratic candidate can afford to support personal responsibility, it's not acceptable to the followers. I totally believe in personal responsibility, and the democratic party has abandoned it. All the arguments about anything else are just raising dust, trying to justify the situation and behavior.

    So- you have nothing to win here. When we see democrats stepping up to the plate and willing to accept responsibility, things could change. It won't happen. They chose the wrong road quite a while back, and time just takes them farther down it. They may take the nation down with them.

    To have a great future- you have to realize that what we do today shapes the future. It requires a maturity and sense of discipline to do that. That pretty well defines the difference in parties today- and the mindset of the arguments of those trying to avoid the responsibiity of that oblilgation.

    It makes little difference if we are talking about paying a hairstylist 18K, or allowing 6 million illegals to invade the country, paying for their transportation, giving them financial aid, housing and medical care with hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. If you can't see the differences in the magnitude and the impacts of such things, you are just not equipped to form a rational perception- and your arguments degrade to that of the spoiled kid demanding his parent prove to him why he should go to bed.

    We aren't really arguing about allegations of conduct, but about the ability, the willingness to recognize values, character and magnitude. Those are the things that shape tomorrow- and that's coming very quickly.

    Nobody's perfect, including you and I. That isn't a reason to disqualify anyone for anything. The viable reasons are how their imperfections affect the quality of the job we may hire them for.
    If you would hire a poor surgeon because he had a nice bedside manner and reject a great surgeon because he did not, you will get and deserve a botched job by an incompetent surgeon, who is probably named Joe. In the case of politics, when a candidate or a party fails to keep the best interests of all the people as their guiding priority- they have betrayed the people and the nation. That means everybody suffers from the poor character of that party if they hold power.

    I don't think you are able to separate what matters for the future from the trivial nonsense being used to fuel arguments, and that means there is no reason to
     
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    But you can’t rebut.
     
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    Of course I can. But as a person controlled by the typical mindset of the left, you measure rebuttal with the yardstick of what you already believe, which invalidates anything that opposes it.

    That's not my problem- it's yours. Your choice, your limitation, and only within your power.
     
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    It is an obvious truth.

    And your posts prove it.

    You work very very hard at being deluded by Trump and his lies.

    And, you completely made up your defense of Melanie’s hairdresser’s paycheck and role.

    Which is also something that die hard trumpsters do.
     

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