Trump Plans to Withdraw thousands of U.S. Troops From Germany, a Key NATO Ally

That was a nice idea, but those propositioned, would have been used up in the first 3 weeks.
Everybody knew that Reforger would only work, if the troops and supplies at hand could deplete the Warsaw Pact of their # 1 divisions in the first 2 weeks, so that they had to bring in#2 and #3, those would have gone through the meat grinder like nothing.
We had a 3 weeks window, in which we would have to destroy the #1 units. We were never able to have the huge mass, so the concentration was on tech and the kill rate it would produce.
Reforge would have become important, because of the time delay, to push the Warsaw back.
Reforger would have at the best 1 week notice, that is how tied it was.

 

Perhaps a lot of things changed since I was there. There were preposition equipment in West Germany, POMCUS I think it was called to where all that was needed was for the Troops to arrive from the states.

I spent 3 1/2 years with the 11th ACR in Fulda. There was a lot going on, defensive wise there that few knew about.

 

If you represent all Germans, I'm glad we're leaving

 

Only the confession today by Barr.

 

Citation from an unbiased source please.

 

Battalion 300, in the Gap

 

Sounds like a win-win-win-win situation to me. Germany wants us out. So, it's a win for Germany. We pull some troops out. That stings Germany's defense posture. Win for Trump. Further, Russia moves more troops to the border of Germany to take advantage weakening defenses. The final win will be when Merkel comes groveling back to the US begging for the US troops to return. Without US military support, Germany might as well change their capital city to Berlinigrad!!!!

 

Germany does not have a border with Russia.

 

They have changed. I don't give a flying [expletive] about Germany and no one else in the US does either.

 

In fairness given my several generations ago family history I do have considerable concern for Germany even today. Two of my uncles (mothers side) took an extensive trip over there searching (and finding) relatives. Though to be fair this was in 1994 or 95 give or take.

 

Gee, it was a FOX interview. How did you miss it?

“Things were so bad that the Secret Service recommended the president go down to the bunker,” Mr. Barr said in an interview with Fox News. “We can’t have that in our country.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/politics/barr-trump-bunker-george-floyd.html

How many is that now? 30,000?

 

My mistake!! I guess there is no reason for us to be there at all. Bring them all home!!!

 

Never underestimate a nation that's fighting for its actual survival, against one that just wants to retain world dominance. By doing so, you're only leading the world towards another conflagration.

Arrogance always precludes a fall.



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Seems this doing by Trump is another reason for joy in the Kremlin.

 

Do you know what the NATO mission was for?

 

So you do regard Russia as a threat, but not really, and find the US useless as a bulwark against them, which you don't need because Russia can't afford to attack anyway.

It sounds like your national security thinking is a little foggy. That is probably reflected in your leadership as well. It certainly explains much about German (and European) incoherence.

Just get out of NATO. As you said, the Russians can't afford to attack anyway, and why would they need to when they can make you a natural gas colony?

 

What makes you think Putin cares about a small contingent of U.S. soldiers in Germany?

 

Putin probably cares more about US presence in Poland and the three Baltic Sea countries, or the US airbase and missile defense system on Greenland if we're talking NATO bases they'd rather not like to see.

 

Russia might be a thread to the Baltic countries, so Nato has troops there.
Just in case
Poland has a rather large Army and they would put up a very hard fight. No, Russia will not attack Poland.
Putin is an opportunist, he wants to get things for little money. Atacking a NATO country would not be little money. He is playing a game nothing more, that macho game.
Do I trust Russia, absolutely not.

That gas thing, buhhhhhaaaaaaaaa. West Germany bought NG from the Soviets and now from Russia. They have been rather reliable, they like hard currency, they love it.
As Bunker Boy has shown the US is a rather shifty partner and its gas and oil is far to expensive.

The US does not like what its NATO partners are doing, it should leave, just get out.

 

We can’t defend the world.

Germany has 1/4 the U.S. population, but that’s still pretty big. And it’s not a poor country.

 

You have not explained why you think Germany needs to be in NATO when they don't regard Russia as a threat. The US at least seems interested in a defense arrangement with nations that do regard Russia as a threat, but since you don't, why wouldn't you leave NATO? It doesn't make sense to me that you would stay in an alliance you don't believe in.

 

What if the Germans change their minds (or see the light) sometime in the future? It is not as simple as just "rejoining NATO".

 

Nato was founded as a defense alliance of Western Europe and the US, because of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
The US called upon its NATO partners after 911. Since than NATO is involved in Afghanistan, including Germany.
The US tries to expand NATO missions beyond its original idea, which is wrong.
Germany's military interest are in Europe, mainly the EU.
There is no real military threat for the EU at the present. Maybe the Baltic States have a threat from Russia. Since they are EU members Germany has a obligation, as has every other EU member. That is what NATO is for and that is why Germany should be a NATO member.
simple as that.
The US wants to misuse NATO, for its global aspirations, which is wrong and that is why the US should leave.
The US uses NATO as its influence tool in Europe, which is wrong and its demands are completely outdated, it is still in the cold war gear, never got over it.
The US should just get out of NATO and leave it to the Europeans, because the US can not live without making up enemies. Its war machine mentality has taken over. It needs war, it wants war, it creates war.

 

Well NATO isn't going to last forever. Germany may need to form new alliances.

 

Germany does not want to leave NATO, why should it. The Europeans are just getting tiered of the constant war mentality of the US.
The US can not live without war or confrontation.