Trump says he discussed Biden with Ukrainian president and Democrats threaten 'new stage of investig

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Trump says he discussed Biden with Ukrainian president and Democrats threaten 'new stage of investigation'

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/22/...leblower-investigation-impeachment/index.html

So after all the Trump supporters' cries of "fake news" and "anonymous sources", Trump admits that he discussed Biden with the Ukrainian president.

He hasn't quite yet admitted that he put pressure on Zelensky to investigate the Bidens, but the stories that have been coming out (that Trump supporters kept calling "fake news") keep getting confirmed. Bit by bit, and now part of it confirmed by Trump himself.

How is this NOT abuse of office?

For decades, the DoJ has been kept independent of the presidency. Of course the President appoints the AG and others in the DoJ, but past administrations have taken great efforts for the DoJ to act independently of the WH.

So far, there is no evidence that Hunter or Joe Biden have broken any law. They are not under investigation at home. The appropriate way for America to ask for Ukraine's help would be:
1. US law enforcement starts an investigation, based on sufficient evidence (this hasn't happened)
2. If they think it would help their investigation to ask Ukrainian law enforcement for help, they go through proper channels and ask for that help (again, this hasn't happened)


What is NOT ok is for the US president to put direct pressure on a foreign president to start investigating a political opponent. That is asking for direct help from a foreign government to influence the outcome of the 2020 election.

Seriously, Trump supporters - take a step back from this and ask yourselves if this is ok. Do you really want to set this precedent? Because this really looks like collusion with a foreign government to influence an election. Direct collusion from the Oval Office.

I know some of you LOVE Trump. I know many of you HATE all the Dem candidates. But what he admitted over the weekend is really beyond the pale. Let someone with morals and ethics beat him in a primary.

Or ... stick with him and confirm yourselves as anti-American.

 

There is a long way to go until January 2025. Trump, the proper American, beats globalists' scum in 2020 easily.

 

I think it would have been worse if he did NOT try and get the Ukraine to investigate Biden. I don’t know why the left thinks this is bad. I think they are more upset their guy Biden is being held accountable for his real crimes.

 

So you think it is OK for a sitting president to ask a foreign government for help in getting re-elected?

 

I think it is ok for a sitting president to pressure a foreign government into an investigation into a crime, yes. The left seem to have no issue when info came from the UK on Trump.

 

What real crimes? Trump's DoJ hasn't even started an investigation against them, let alone indicted them or asked for help.

The president historically stays OUT of justice issues - precisely to avoid any suggestion that he is using the DoJ for political purposes.

If the Feds want Ukrainian help, the right way is to start an investigation at home and if there is sufficient reason to believe the Ukrainians could help, go through the proper law enforcement channels.

What Trump is doing is attempting to collude directly with a foreign government for help in his re-election. It is outrageous. And you guys love him for it.

 

What crime? Trump's DoJ hasn't even started an investigation.

This is asking a foreign government to interfere in the election when there isn't even an investigation at home. And you are OK with that.

 

Wow...You don"t have a clue what was their conversation all about. I believe it was about tackling Ukrainian corruption.By the way, Ukrainians offered material about some U.S citizens who were involved. Trump doesn"t need help to get elected against any of the current Democrats running.

 

Trump did not talk to Zelenskiy about Biden before he actually did talk about Biden after he said he did not talk about Biden but he now said he did talk about Biden but he said the talking was beautiful but he did not talk about Biden but he did and Giuliani did but Giuliani said he did not then said he did.

 

It's remarkable how Trump supporters think it is OK to ignore the law (not pass on the IG report to Congress) and actively cover-up a whistleblower report.

I am 100% sure that if Hillary had won the election and done exactly the same things that Trump has done, she would already have been impeached. Years ago. But for Trump supporters, all his corruption and lawbreaking is ok.

Disgusting. Sad.

 

More Democrat witch hunts.

 

So you admit that it was wrong for joe Biden to put pressure on the Ukrainians to kill the investigation of his son?

Good.

Now we need to figure out the details

 

That's just wrong.. if biden/son did crimes in Ukraine, THEY need to investigate.. if there is reason to believe US laws broken, WE can investigate..

Otherwise, impeach Trump for this...

 

No, you're supposed to believe that Sleepy Joe threatened the Ukrainians because they refused to investigate his son's corruption.

Don't think, just believe. It's the leftist way.

 

Translation - "****. Trump has done something illegal / immoral / unethical / inappropriate again. Better get ahead of the curve and call it a witch hunt before the truth of how bad his conduct REALLY is comes out."

 

Something something blah blah blah.

Thus then, impeach Trump.

 

What did he do? He’s allowed to talk to foreign leaders.

 

Huh? We know Biden was being investigated for corruption. In Ukraine. We know his dad the VP, threatened to withhold a billion in aid if the investigation wasn’t stopped...why should trump be impeached for that??

 

He's not allowed to ask them for help in digging up dirt on a political adversary. That's illegal.

If US law enforcement wants help investigating the Bidens, they can go through the proper channels and ask the Ukrainian authorities for that help. But here is a news flash. The Bidens are NOT under investigation at home. It is only the RWNJ conspiracy theory crowd that is spreading completely unfounded rumors that either of them did anything wrong.

So, yeah. It is a big ****ing deal that Trump asked a foreign head of state to try to dig up dirt on an opponent. I know you don't care whether he breaks the law or not. I know you give him free reign to do whatever the **** he wants, as long as he keeps the WH from falling into Dem hands.

But that is anti-American. Trump and his America-hating supporters are destroying the country and they don't even realise it.

 

You mean what Biden bragged about is a lie? Go figure. BTW, Ukraine said there was no pressure so...just another hit job by the usual folks.

 

Reading is a lifetime skill.. sorry it didnt happen for you...

 

Post a video link to Biden bragging about (whatever you think he was bragging about).

If it is just another "hit job", why is the WH going to such unprecedented lengths to bury and cover-up the whistleblower report?

Hint - it is because it would be incredibly damaging to Trump. Not that you would care. He could **** on the flag and piss on the Constitution and you would say he is the best president ever.

 

Impeaching Trump isn't happening in your lifetime... sorry it won't happen for you...

 

He didn’t ask them to dig up dirt. The investigation. Started before he was sworn in and Bidens threats happened before he was sworn in.

Supporting the Ukrainians against Russia and corruption is a good thing and the president can do just that

 

Rudy Giuliani Drops Ukrainian Collusion Bomb on Democrats!
"Ukrainian collusion which was large significant and proven, with Hillary Clinton with the DNC-When the rest of this comes out and we look at China-this will be a lot bigger than Spiro Agnew-They have fallen into a trap."