Trump surging because politicians are all panderers to illegal aliens

At that point they would go back to the old "Irish, Italians, and Slavs aren't really white people" lines.

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Weren't you the one in another thread saying you didn't want people legally immigrating unless they had advanced degrees and economically advanced skills?

You think a PHD is going to come to America to clean toilets?

 

I almost hope Trump wins and does try his mass deportation and build a wall program. When the decrease in economic activity that removing millions of illegals occurs alongside massive increases in government spending and leads us into another depression, it will be the headstone on the grave of conservative ideology.

 

Would that be a depression in contrast to the grinding and never ending RECESSION the nation has experienced throughout the Obama administration years to date? I wonder if the average citizen would notice the difference?

 

Removing a couple trillion dollars in economic activity from the economy would be noticed, yes.

 

The national debt is 18 trillion dollars and if Obama gets his way, it will bust the 20 trillion dollars mark before he oozes his way out of office. So perhaps not.

 

Your not an economist have never even taken any courses on macroeconomics dealing with national economies and government debt have you?

Because if you have not, you are just ignorant and this train wreck of a response is forgivable. If you have and you still made this post, you need to go slap your economics professor because he left you dumber than before you entered his class.

 

I agree that removing Trump from the economy to serve as President will be painful for America but I believe the pros will outweigh the cons

 

Flippant response instead addressing practical reality.

Pretty much what one can expect from Trump and his supporters.

 

If you said anything worth addressing I would have addressed it. I respond to stupidity with humor.

 

Racism? Against whom?

 

Stupidity? The millions of illegals we have in the U.S. account for just a little more than a trillion dollars in economic activity. Removing them also removes that trillion from our GDP. That will drive us into a depression. Period.

If you support removing all illegals, then you need to address that practical reality.

 

Paying people more leads to a decrease in GDP? You are seriously going to stand by that position? People should have to employ legal workers and pay legal wages and workers should have the protections and rights Americans workers are supposed to have and have fought so hard to gain. I absolutely disagree with you when it comes to your economic stance, it's backwards, it's wrong.

 

I predict that every Trump supporter on this thread will be singing the praises of some other GOP candidate 60 days from now. Half of them will deny that they ever were for Trump.

A lot of these people were for Ben Carson in January, Scott Walker in March, and Ted Cruz in April.

 

No, I wasn't the one who said that.

 

You falsely assume those positions are going to be filled and that the businesses in question can afford to pay people more. More likely, the businesses will close their doors and export the jobs overseas.

 

Republicans have become no better than Democrats. Read the subject line. I said 'politicians' without specifying a party. I think Democrats are worse though for the reasons I mentioned.

And I don't know why the concept of illegal versus legal is so hard for you libs to grasp. Since Mexicans are the only people willing to work their butts off for peanuts, they come in other forms other than illegal aliens. There are also LEGAL immigrants and low income American Latinos who would do that work, and they don't like it that illegals are taking those jobs.

The CEO of eBay who was running for gov of California had an illegal alien housekeeper that she was paying $36 an hour. You don't think an American or legal immigrant would've taken that job?

 

How can I get a maid who is overseas to look after my house? How can I get someone who is overseas to build my house? How can I get someone overseas to do my garden? How can I get someone who is overseas to clean my toilet? Flip my burgers? For these jobs people should have to employ legal workers and pay legal wages and workers should have the protections and rights Americans workers are supposed to have and have fought so hard to gain. My stance on this will not change, too much has been sacrificed by too many to ignore the rights and fair pay American workers deserve.

 

The simple answer to all of those jobs is "you won't". Hiring Americans will simply drive the costs up too high more them to be profitable. The jobs offered will be reduced to the minimum level possible so as to maintain maximized profits.

On the flip side, even if they were offered at simply a higher cost, this would have the consequence of driving up the price level. That would screw everyone who has a high marginal propensity to consume (IE everyone who isn't rich).

 

But one cannot simply never address a problem, and it is a problem when it comes to americans earning a living wage, just by playing the old hatred card.

Every person does not just hate, but some do. I feel no hate for illegals at all, be they of any nationality. There are plenty of people just like me, that are concerned with what open borders is doing to our own working people. You do not pull up the world's poor, by making your own people poor. That is just utter nonsense, but the Koch's like it.

 

Sanders is just a FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, progressive. Genuine progressivism almost died out, until the corporate owned dems and repubs fired it back up, as people began to tire of the suffering caused by their neoliberalism.

When Matthews on msnbc called sanders a socialist, he was lying, for he knows full well sanders is a FDR progressive. Matthews isn't anything but an insider, which means he is a corporate democrat, working for one of the corporate owned media outlets who have an interest in keeping sanders out of office.

 

You would be surprised how many business there are who don't enjoy having to break the law or turn a blind eye and feign ignorance but have no choice since the laws aren't being enforced and if the completion is doing it to cut costs then they also have to do it to survive. There isn't an honest businessman in America who wouldn't welcome a return to the days they didn't have to employ illegals to stay competitive.

 

News flash, being against rank leftist propaganda does NOT mean that one is for any particular Republican running for the presidency. Everyone knows that eventually there will be just one GOPer left standing but nobody knows which GOPer that's going to end up being because unlike the DNC the GOP does not select its eventual presidential nominee before the primaries have even run their course.

How's the Queen of Corruption, Hillary Clinton, working out for the Dem Party nowadays, by the way? Perhaps the DNC should have selected some other Old and Angry and White Dem presidential hopeful for that honor . . . oh wait . . . all that the Dem Party does have running for the presidency nowadays are Angry, Old, White politicians. Ooops!

 

I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sir. Since my own son in law lost his construction business during the housing boom, because he could not be competitive in the bidding placed by other companies who were using illegals for labor, which layed off American construction workers to hire illegals for cheaper wages, the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is piled high in your post.

When these illegals left after the crash and went back to mexico, these companies, locally owned, had to hire back their old American workers. But let construction pick up again, and watch and see what happens.

Recently a chain hotel was being built here in my area, and a multitude of American construction workers showed up to get a job, and they hired none. A few days later after the dirt work was done, they brought in loads of illegals, with an American foreman, who spoke Spanish.....

So there are multitudes of americans who will do construction work. My son in law is again in that business. So I call bull(*)(*)(*)(*), rightwingnut bull(*)(*)(*)(*) sir.

 

Yeah, businesses love it when their costs are driven up but their revenue remains the same.

 

Yeah business owners love it when they can't sleep at night because they are forced to break quasi laws to stay competitive. Get rid of the law or enforce it. Seems reasonable enough to me. There would be very little support for getting rid of laws I imagine but at least do it in the open if that is what you want.