Trump to declare National emergency for Wall

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  1. bx4

    bx4 Well-Known Member

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    Only if there is an emergency.

    Tell us, what emergency happened today? What is happening today on the border that wasn't happening yesterday, or last week, or last month, or a year ago, or five years ago?

    There is no national emergency. Just Trump's political imperative. The two are not the same.
     
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    Border crossings are down? Down from what? Besides leftist imaginations.

    Illegal Immigration On Track For A Ten-Year High! - David ...
    https://davidharrisjr.com/social-and-political/illegal-immigration...
    (Princeton Policy Research) October 2018 saw nearly 51,000 illegal aliens apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border with family unit crossings almost doubling what they were in October 2016, under President Obama.

    Illegal Immigration Under Trump On Track to Hit Highest ...
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/26/illegal-immigration...
    Illegal immigration at the United States-Mexico border is expected to hit the highest level in a decade next year as border-crossings surge. ... The record illegal immigration outpaced projections from Princeton Researcher Steven Kopits, ... (Princeton Policy Research)
     
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    And Chuck Schumer used to know that too.
     
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    You cite as Trump's pretext for suddenly calling border security a "national emergency" in order to usurp Congressional power and get his way:

    (a) In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.

    (b)When a decision is made to undertake military construction projects authorized by this section, the Secretary of Defense shall notify, in an electronic medium pursuant to section 480 of this title, the appropriate committees of Congress of the decision and of the estimated cost of the construction projects, including the cost of any real estate action pertaining to those construction projects.

    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1

    “No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
    — U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 9, clause 7

    The Constitution does not permit the Executive to arbitrarily confiscate and reallocate funds properly allocated by Congress, nor to deprive the designated recipients of those Congressionally-allocated funds of them.

    Yes, the reality-tv performer with no experience or expertise in border security hyped a campaign gimmick about a "big, beautiful wall" that he would make Mexico pay for, but Congress has refused to squander $5.7 billion on his fixation for over two years. His being upset that he has not gotten his way does not allow him to eviscerate our system of checks and balances, and suddenly pull a "national emergency" out of his butt.

    Despite his hysterical claims of duct-taped women and prayer rugs aplenty, there is no military "emergency."

    By pandering to his fan base and right-wing media entertainers, he is further alienating most Americans.

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    In any event, Constitutional challenges to his usurpation, including those by private land owners speaking truth to power and resisting his federal confiscations of their property, should insure that his fanciful erection remains a fantasy for quite some time.
     
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    It was let go so long it has become an emergency. We only print more money to pay for the costs of these illegals in our country.....not to mention the death and crime they bring with them. I know.....Dems say that is a small price to pay for more votes!
     
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    LOL....you wont get any argument from the Right on that one. Just sayin.
     
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    The law does not set a time period on the emergency

    Its the presidents decision as to what, when, where, and how

    But congress is free to agree with you and repeal the declaration with a super majority
     
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    No modern president has used a national emergency to do what Trump wants to do. They have been used almost exclusively for blocking transactions, imposing sanctions, preventing arms sales to certain countries etc.

    But hey, if you want Trump to declare a national emergency over a wall, you can expect a Dem president to declare one over health care or environmental standards or gun control. When that happens, I expect you to say, "this is what I wanted".
     
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    You haven't pointed to anything that has happened recently that has changed the status of the border so that it is now an emergency.

    So - genuine question - how long do you think the emergency has been going on?
     
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    There you go with the 3rd grade sex references again

    Your mind is always in the gutter

    Trump has the legal authority to act and he should
     
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    I have, and sure it does.

    However, I have no doubt the members of the New Democratic Party in Congress will do everything in their power to fight for their Open Borders agenda, so where and when remains to be seen.
     
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    I am not here to talk you down out of your tree

    You will be opposed no matter what
     
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    So when, exactly, did it become an "emergency"?

    What happened to change the status?
     
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    It's a genuine and pretty simple question.

    How long has there been an emergency at the border?
     
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    It's interesting to see the infantile responses from frustrated posters. I get the impression they believe the President sits back and barks out edicts, without consulting any legal authorities on matters like this.

    Will the New Democratic Party fight to continue it's open borders objectives? Of course, a declaration by the President will be met by the usual legal challenges from their hand picked Circuit Court Judges.
     
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    The emergency has been at the border for months

    Unfortunatly trump cannot stop the refugee scam by executivevorder

    Or can he?

    I think he can suspend new refugee applications and should
     
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    20 some million illegals running around the country isn't an emergency? Taking 3 months for illegals to show back up to Immigration Court isn't an Emergency. Not having enough detention facilities isn't an emergency? Having Illegals rush the border at ports of entry isn't an emergency? Having them rush the border at areas where there is no port of entry isn't an emergency?

    Illegals dying out in the Arizona desert isn't an emergency? How many need to die for it to be considered an emergency?

    Mexico passing the bulk of Migrants trapsing thru their country to our border, enabling them isn't an emergency?

    It is not funny that leftists don't know what constitutes an emergency. Other than when their ass is on the line.
     
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    I think the issue is out of the federal courts hands

    The proper remedy for critics lies in congress not on some quack obama judges desk
     
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    Months? Really? What happened months ago that changed the status from a non-emergency to an emergency?
     
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    Lets not forget that as of this moment trump has not declared a national emergency

    and still may not though I hope he will
     
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    The question is for you - how long has there been an emergency?
     
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    You keep asking me you fix your comprehension problem

    but that is beyond my assigned duties

    Liberals want more illegal aliens in the country and I want none

    Nothing I say will change that for you
     
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    Be careful what you wish for.

    You are wishing for the president to declare a national emergency in order to pursue a policy that he asked Congress to fund - and they didn't.

    If he uses emergency powers for this, he will be opening the door for future presidents to pursue their policies after Congress has turned them down.

    Be very careful what you wish for.
     
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    I'm asking a question. You are the one who is saying there is an emergency. I want you to say when it started.

    Simple question. It should be a simple answer but you've ducked it at least three times.
     

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