Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israeli capital

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    President Trump will announce the U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but will sign a waiver delaying the relocation of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to there, senior administration officials said Tuesday.

    Trump will make the announcement on Wednesday, in a speech that will be closely watched by other world leaders who fear the move will undermine peace negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians and spark protests across the Middle East.

    In an effort to make good on a campaign promise, Trump will direct the State Department to begin the process of moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

    But administration officials said the move would not take place immediately because there is not enough room to house the roughly 1,000 embassy personnel in Jerusalem. Therefore, Trump will sign a waiver keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv for the next six months.
    Officials said Trump would continue to sign the waiver until the move can be completed, a process that could take no less than three to four years.

    Still, the president's decision to unilaterally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel upends decades of American policy in the Middle East and risks inflaming violence in an already-tense region.

    Trump informed Israeli, Arab and European leaders of his decision in phone calls over the past two days.

    Some, including Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah II, warned him the announcement would have "dangerous" repercussions for regional stability.


    The Palestinians hope to make East Jerusalem the capital of a future state and the ancient city has holy sites that are important to Jews, Christians and Muslims alike.

    Senior Trump administration officials downplayed those concerns, saying the decision leaves room for the status of Jerusalem to be considered in negotiations with Israel.

    "As we have said, this announcement does not change U.S. policy over the specific borders, dimensions, any of that," one official said. "That will be subject to final-status negotiations."

    They argued that the move could actually aid the peace process by offering a "recognition of reality" about Jerusalem.

    "For a long time, the U.S. position held that ambiguity would advance the prospect of peace," another official said. "We're 22 years in and it seems now the physical location of the U.S. embassy is not an impediment to a peace deal."

    In making the decision, Trump heavily weighed domestic politics in addition to the situation in the Middle East.

    He repeatedly promised during the 2016 campaign to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, something that pleased many of his pro-Israel and evangelical Christian backers.

    Trump, however, has reportedly felt stymied by some of his advisers who have urged him not to move the embassy in order to avoid sparking tensions in the Middle East at a time when he is dealing with the fight against ISIS, the war in Afghanistan and North Korea's nuclear aggression.

    Officials said another consideration in signing the waiver was avoiding a major cut in State Department funding mandated under a 1995 law if the embassy does not move to Jerusalem. Every president has waived the law since its passage.

    They said immediately designating the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem as an embassy was out of the question for security and logistical reasons.

    Even though Trump is not ordering the immediate relocation of the embassy, his decision is expected to ignite demonstrations in the region.

    Hamas, the Islamic extremist group that partially controls the Gaza Strip, has declared Friday a "Day of Rage" in response to Trump's expected announcement.

    Jerusalem has long been the thorniest issue in the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and the international community widely considers the city's status to be unsettled.

    East Jerusalem was captured by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War, unifying the city under Israeli control. Jerusalem is home to the Israel's parliament and prime minister's residence but Palestinians have demanded that part of the city be set aside as a capital for them.


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    This actually makes a nice demonstration for a good diplomatic move. As all diplomatic moves have this one too has a strong "reason" and "intention" behind it.

    Although to the ones who look at things from the east the reason for making such a move might seem reckless I think deeper inside the message to the Arabian/Muslim world is clear: "Do as agreed or I gently do as you don't wish"

    "The agreed" here might resemble laying a nice beautiful building block to begin with more detailed "REFORMS", involving the entire region, "due west"...
     
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    Sultan Ayatullah Erdojan does not like it.
    We are all so scaredddd ... :oldman:
     
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    Why should Muslims care what Jews make in their own country? Weather the capital of Israel is Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

    The Islamic world has Mecca, the Judo-Christian world has Jerusalem. What's the big deal?
     
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    What do you think will happen?
     
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    Armageddon.
     
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    Hariri's resignation (tho revoked now)
    Saleh's death
    Jerusalem remarks
    Zarrab case in NYC court
    Heated Nuclear deal arguments

    All point Tehran...
     
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    Turkey will become Iran number 2.
     
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    Thinking is what human brain does. Your question makes no sense...
     
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    The Judo-Christian world speaks of a world where Jews were persecuted by Christians and your next answer as to what you are expecting
    is of course the final solution of that with most Jews exterminated.

    Of course in the current day Palestinian, Christians who were part of the Holy Land with Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims before the take over by Colonialists, do not have the position you speak of.

    https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/palestineremix/forbidden-pilgrimage.html#/4

    Christian Zionists reject their Palestinian Christians as they work for their final revenge on Jews. ;)
     
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    Another U.S. President who bends over backwards for AIPAC.

    Pathetic.
     
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    I'm back after a while to this message board ...

    Regarding the object of this thread I would remind that it was the US Congress to vote about this, already in 1995. The Presidents so far have delayed the signature of an executive order.

    It was the Jerusalem Embassy Act [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act]
     
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    The government is already located in Jerusalem. Israelis ask why it has taken so long.
     
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    No. First US President who does not take prisoners and does not bend over.

    Bravo, President Trump :applause:
     
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    Welcome back, friend :hug:
     
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    One thing that we can all agree on is that FAITH/RELIGION are to blame here, clearly. No invisible man in the sky = problem solved.
     
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    "My invisible friend in the sky says WE get the city!"
    "No, MY invisible friend in the sky says WE are his chosen people so WE get the city!!"

    Sounds like little children arguing over "oh yeah, well MY dad could beat up YOUR dad!!!"
    Arguing over whose invisible friend who lives in the sky is more real.
     
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    Trump is evil. There's just no getting around that fact. The big question is why a
    mentally ill U.S. president can move Israel's capital. Further proof that Israel is
    our surrogate state.
     
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    They’re saying, “Don’t do this, or Muslims will kill people.” It’s just the kind of violent intimidation that neither Trump nor any free person should give in to, for doing so will only encourage more of it. - Robert Spencer.
     
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    Trump hopes to provoke war and sell more weaponry to the Middle East.
    That's the only possible reason for this move...
     
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    The point is that it will be interesting to see how things will develop. Overall the reactions from Arab countries and Russians. Today we here Erdogan and other leaders saying this and that, there is who is sure that this decision will set ME on fire …


    But to talk is a matter, to act is a well different matter. The President of the United States is going to apply a law voted by the Congress when the President was Bill Clinton.


    I’m really curious if some governments will do something under the light of the sun [a part financing terror groups, of course].
     
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    What are America's interests in this move, apart from showing unconditional support to Israeli aggression? What does it have to gain from it?

    I thought HRC's speech at AIPAC was the bottom of the arse-kissing barrel. Looks like I was wrong.
     
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    Which was the reason why the Congress voted the Jerusalem Embassy Act?

    Note that "the proposed law was adopted by the Senate (93–5) and the House (374–37)" [I quote WIKI]. Such a majority ...

    And the Act indicated a temporal limit: not later than May 31, 1999. US are a bit on late about this.
     
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    NO US President can move Israel's capital, sonny.
     
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    It's the law.
     

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