Trump Warned America About Coronavirus In Speech That Pelosi Tore Up

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  1. AFM

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    The NBA is a proud adherent of rule #1.
     
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    Do I know where who is? Cryptic much? She, who?

    And no, China is no longer specifically communist, else there wouldn't be so many wealthy Chinese capitalists like Jack Ma.

    https://fortune.com/2018/11/29/communist-china-billionaires-jack-ma/

    The Communist Party may still be in power, but they are just another totalitarian dictatorship. A true Communist regine would abhor capitalism, yet this regime fully supports it, as long as they get their share.
     
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    You really don't have any interest in who Ai Fen is and what has happened to her ?? Sad.

    Red China is a totalitarian communist dictatorship. They are using their form of government supported and subsidized industries to produce goods at cheap prices to undermine markets in capitalistic countries and gain market share and economic dependency. To increase the speed of this they steal technology directly from the western democracies - the cost of this to the US is ~ $400B of gdp (jobs) per year. Until Trump our leaders have been clueless to this strategy employed by the Red Chinese to gain world domination which is their ultimate goal. Trump is the first US president to see through this and act in the favor of US citizens.

    So why are you not blaming Red China for the pandemic and global loss of life which increases every day ?? I await your answer.
     
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    Yes, and many at starvation wages. Your point being?

    You seem to be misjudging. I'm not against companies like the travel industry getting bailouts, I just don't think they should be able to use those to give giant bonuses to executives, or to buy back their stock in order to pump up the share price. That was the entire reason for delaying the vote on the relief bill, to get more money into the hands of the actual workers.
     
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    She wanted oversight on that $500 billion. If that was extortion, it was on our behalf.
     
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    Again, who is Ai Fen? This is the third time I've had to ask. And why does that matter in the context of this discussion?

    Do you have something against providing details? I know you don't like to look things up and link to proof of your extrenely partisan rhetoric, but at least be clear when you're trying to make a point.

    And no, I'm not going to look up that name because I'm not the one who brought it up. That's your homework, not mine.
     
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    Jan. 14, the WHO retweeted a false claim from Chinese officials. Oh, the horror! If they hadn't, who knows how many lives would have been saved!? </end sarcasm>

    The WHO also downplayed the virus on Jan. 23 and 24, but retracted and owned that error on Jan. 26.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/03/retraction-faulty-coronavirus-paper-good-moment-for-science/

    Deflection is all the Trump supporters seem to have. Trump downplayed this virus until we had tens of thousands infected and hundreds of deaths. He is still trying to blame everyone else, especially those high population states like NY, claiming that they were too slow to respond. Yet, Cuomo declared a state of emergency far ahead of Trump doing so.

    Also, you'll have to forgive me for not believing anything coming from Fox News. They, like Trump, were still downplaying the danger of this virus as recently as mid-March. They're even worried about getting sued for doing so.

    https://www.salon.com/2020/03/30/fo...r-its-misleading-coronavirus-coverage-report/

    Chicken or egg question: Did Trump keep downplaying the virus because he watched Fox News doing so? Or was Fox News just backing Trump's play?
     
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    Reread my post, I NEVER said you did.
    How original and clever! Are you sure you are the one to be pointing fingers for prejudice and bias?
    You described terms used by a fellow poster as prejudiced and biased on a public forum even though their comments were neither. It is perfectly proper for this to be corrected by fellow posters on a public forum. Did you think you were in a private chat?
    I'm sure you are trying to figure out some way to defend the indefensible and that is probably what led to your misplaced charges.
    No they haven't. He's been right the whole time. Doing so much vital business with a communist government that lies and spies so extensively on their own people, allowing these hideous "Wet Markets" where they eat all these unspeakable disease ridden things was very very foolish. Trump starting moving us to LESS dependence on Red China very very quickly.

    The situation he inherited from Dumb and Dumber, the two dumbest back to back presidents in American History was:

    Most Dependent on China, for 15.9% of our foreign trade
    Next Canada, probably about the best neighbor a nation could share their longest border with, we make fun of them, but they are truly a wonderful people. They had 15% of our trade.
    Third was Mexico, with 14.4% and huge opportunity to inrease trade with us in exchange for helping to secure our border.

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1612yr.html

    Now Filthy Lying China, a huge polluter that uses slave labor and keeps their Muslim populations in slave camps and is suspected of forced organ harvesting of their populations they view as undesireable, even as they treat the oceans as their personal toilet, just dumping plastic over the rails of their merchant ships, is all the way down to THIRD at 13.5% with Mexico and Canada now 1 and 2.

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/top/top1912yr.html

    Very Very Smart! I suspect our business with China is going to drop a lot further, perhaps even very quickly as we bring all those great great manufacturing jobs back to Trump's Base that he loves so much, The American Worker, both the Right and the Left, every color and gender, because like he says, "we all bleed red!"

    Trump was right when he warned the Nation and the Congress that the Chinese Virus was a real threat. And you know what Pelosi did with that warning? She tore it up, and now she is trying to use Coronavirus relief spending to fund Tax Cuts for Millionaires and Billionaires!

    America wonders: "What is wrong with this woman?"

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    Oh, ffs!

    It wasn't outdated in 2009. It became defunct when replaced with the still-current 2016 NSC pandemic playbook. And note that I'm not placing any blame on the Bush playbook for the less-than-stellar job the Obama administration made of that outbreak.

    You can have your extremely biased, Trump-supporting opinions, but if you use "alternative facts" to justify your views, you'll continue to be challenged.
     
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    Which US corporations are paying starvation wages ??? What are starvation wages ???
     
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    Telling. No interest in the truth ???
     
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    Many of the "facts" you've expressed on this thread have been debunked. I was not restricting that remark to the Obama administration's failure to replenish the masks. And not once have I "gone off" on you. If debating issues makes you feel like you're under attack, if facts that don't jive with your views make you uncomfortable, perhaps this isn't the best way for you to spend your time.

    If you continue to debate using Trump-favorable "alternative facts" I'm going to continue to point it out and provide the truth, with links to back me up.
     
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    Wow, you're right, those nasty little leftists screwed us out of a few thousand units of one particular type of mask, so let's blame this whole crisis on them! </end sarcasm>

    That's pretty weak, as whataboutisms go. Not to mention the fact that Trump had three years to replenish those supplies and did not do so. But yeah, let's blame it all on the guy who has been out of office for more than three years.
     
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    Ai Fen seems important to you, yet over and over you pound out that name with no explanation. Either spell it out or stop bringing it up like it's a vital part of the discussion. I can't care of I don't know who the heck you're talking about. Do some effing homework for a change.

    Where did I say that I don't blame China for this virus? It started there, like many viruses do, because of poor hygienic conditions surrounding China's livestock markets. I've never implied otherwise. I've simply laid blame at Trump's doorstep for a too-slow response that has cost lives here. I've never blamed Trump for the virus, just his lack of taking it seriously in a timely manner.
     
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    Again the left refuses to blame the Red Chinese. Disgusting. We still don’t have all the data from China. Why did the Red Chinese refuse to allow US scientists into China to study and help ??? Dr. Birx in the briefing yesterday stated that the medical epidemiologists initially that that the Wuhan virus was similar to SARS because China did not provide all the data and continued to allow Chinese citizens to travel.

    Red China is responsible for the loss of human life and the economic damage in the US and around the world.
     
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    Sad to witness ^^^
     
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    Trump's statements in an attempt to reassure the public, is not the same as the actual government response. That the said statements of course did not reassure us, is certainly his fault. But the task force team has repeatedly told us: They've been on the ground, they've been active. And it's the fault of the testing kit failures as well as logistic challenges that led to our current predicament.

    The President doesn't have a magic wand, especially considering the situation with asymptomatic people and the reduction of the work force.

    There is only one place for blame. That's the enemy of the free world, the Communist Party of China. Note that I said 'enemy of the free world'. Citizens across the globe are angry at China, and the UN, etc is where the real action is going to take place.
     
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    But the 12k people died in 2009?
     
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    Haha wow
     
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    Who knew it was so hard to get masks.
    From your link:

    We've been monitoring this virus and preparing a response since back in December, but it's more than that. Preparing for these kinds of outbreaks is part of daily life at HHS and for America's public health professionals.

    Preparedness is a day job around here.

    We are constantly making investments, training personnel at all levels, carrying out simulations and exercises, and sharing information.

    This commitment goes straight to the top: The President and I have been speaking regularly about this outbreak, and I have been speaking with the senior officials at HHS and the White House multiple times each day since the outbreak began to represent an international threat.

    The President is highly engaged in this response, and closely monitoring the work we're doing to keep Americans safe.

    I'll give you a brief sense of the work being done across HHS, beyond the CDC activities I mentioned.

    Our emergency response arm, the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response or ASPR, is assessing the level of preparedness we have with the Strategic National Stockpile, which includes pharmaceuticals and other necessary medical supplies.

    It was probably a Trump donor in charge of masks.
     
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    Did the Chinese government allow 5 million Chinese citizens to flee Wuhan in January because they “knew” that human transmission was not possible or did they know human transference can occur but they didn’t care ?? In any event those those people spread the virus to the rest of China and around the world. The Chinese data shows one COVID death for every 1 million people in Beijing.
     
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    You misquoted my typo.

    "... I use derogatory names like "Trumptards" to describe Trump's supporters..." -- That was actually "Now do I use ..." which was meant to be "Nor do I use ..."

    As for the rest: you are virulently anti-China. Got it. I'm not a fan myself.
     
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    Sorry, but I'm going to have to add you to my very short "ignore" list. Life is too short to go on circles with someone who refuses to accept the facts presented.
     
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    Good riddance.
     
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    What steps did Trump take. Borders are still open, airports are still open, beaches still have people, people are still walking around. Why weren't we shutting things down and getting tests out?
     

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