Trump's washing machine tariffs are costing Americans almost $100 more per appliance

Don’t know if you can say that the US is only a victim here.
Admittedly China’s way of doing business is “different” from the West’s.

 

but they pay less tax on non-labored income, which is the mega rich biggest source of income

why should one pay a higher tax for income they had to labor for?

 

if American workers make the washing machine, a portion of their income goes to taxes - if made overseas... we can only make up for that lost tax rev through tarrifs

 

So you're for paying more for washing machines so you can pay more taxes …. for what? You pay more taxes to the 1% can get a bitter slice of the pie. The revenue ain't going to pay for the debt.

BESIDES THE TAXES ARE WHAT GOES TO PAY THE 815K

 

I am for American workers having jobs making washing machines, because they get a paycheck, they pay taxes

if the employee is overseas, they get their pay check and pay no taxes to the US Government.. thus the tariff.. to make up for the lost taxes collected from the US employees that no longer have jobs making washing machines

 

If the cost of the product goes up due to Americans having to be paid more, how is that a bad thing?

I think it's extremely ironic most of the forum members opposing this are on the Left.

 

I think there are a couple things wrong with your argument.
We can use washers if you like, but cars show it better.
The steel tariffs were supposed to add steel jobs. Turns out the didn't add many because there was excess capacity in the steel plants. So it was easy for them to make more with very few new workers. But still being good capitalists they raised the price of steel. Actually they really don't care a whole lot if they make more or not, they just got an increase for doing nothing.

The bad news is that everything that uses steel now costs more. Washers are not the best example because Trump also put tariffs on whole washers, so the washing machine companies didn't lose to much American business, they are only losing foreign sales because of the higher prices. But net net they didn't add any jobs either they just passed on the cost increase plus the lost business to the American customer.

 

Nothing wrong with wages going up, its positive.
But the workers pay raise is not covering the price in creases.
I am a lefty, employer and I support quiet strongly the minimum wage increases in my state and they are quiet solid.

 

which is wrong.
The US has been sitting on its lard ass, outsourcing what ever it could, because it was very lucky to have this huge domestic market, which ruled the world. That market demanded huge amounts of cheap products, still does.
Not quality, cheep, as cheep as possible. A consumer oriented economy, we want everything we want, but cheap.
Its not about quality, cheap.
Use it for a few month and than just throw it away and buy a new one, cheap, naturally.
That is the standard of US consumer goods for over 2 decades and more. No quality at all. And they thought it was state of the art.
I was the first time in US as a exchange student in the 70s and I was stunned to see, never will forget, the quality of domestic US appliances, in a well of family. You could not have sold that crap in Germany, US made.
In the 70s Made in the US was already was considered low price and very low quality, junk, Woolworth.
It still is.

 

South Korea subsidizes their washing machine production. They do not trade fairly. It's not protectionism to insist on fair trade. Do we look the other way as other countries using unfair production methods offer lower prices at the expense of US jobs and wealth creation or do we level the playing field?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/9/us-imposes-fair-trade-rule-s-korean-washing-machin/

 

Chinas way of doing business is as different as a rapists way of having romance

 

That strong domestic market can't last forever if the country's wealth keeps moving offshore with these chronic trade deficits.

Eventually it will equalize, but you don't want to wait until it gets to that point. Things will be very bad. Wages in the US will be the same as they are in China.
The US population is not prepared to survive in the circumstances the Chinese population lives in.

 

what has happened is the same thing that happened with family income, when two people first started to work, it was a huge plus.. after awhile it became the norm and two were required to work

same with tax cuts for the corps, foreign outsourcing and foreign imports - in the beginning they are great, but as time goes on, they are a detriment to society and need to be offset via tariffs and other means

the left supported Tarrifs before Trump, now that Trump supports them the right does as well and some on the left are being the party of no... the same happened to Obama, the right became against even things they themselves supported when Obama supported them - the left shoudl be embracing the fact that the right now supports tariffs

 

I am not for steel tariffs, that is a natural resource, I am for tariffs on cars

I support tariffs on products, not natural resources

 

I see what you're saying, but steel is still a product of sorts.

There used to be a lot of good paying jobs in American steel mills.

Haven't you ever read about the Great Migration?

 

don't confuse what is sold in the USA as being American made, most is foreign made and imported here and sold here

 

Even "manufactured in America" isn't a guarantee. Many times most of those parts come from other countries and they are just assembled together in America.

 

totally agree

 

I don't like the idea of tariffs but 20% isn't something outrages like people like to describe it. They sometimes describe it as if it was 100% or even 200%, not 20%.

 

Yeah, I agree.
It's real hard for us to tariff cars while we already have tariffs on trucks.
Of course maybe it doesn't matter. Nobody buys our boats anyway.
But on the other hand everyone builds their cars here already to avoid shipping.
You need to be real careful. It's like the steel tariffs only apply to raw product so people buy it in Mexico and stamp it there instead of here.

 

yep, there will always be Corporations trying to game the system, the governments job needs to be to keep on top of it and keep the playing field fair for Americans

 

you mean capital gains

But the rich still pay most of the taxes and at a higher rate than everyone else

 

in the same way as in that if I spend more in a store then you, I pay more total taxes, but I did not pay more taxes then you

 

That is a non progressive tax where you and the filthy rich guy pay the same tax rate

But if you spend more you pay more taxes

Which is music to my ears because I prefer a flat tax rate of everyone

 

That's an interesting way to put it.

You mean if he's earning twice as much money as you, he pays twice as much tax.

Only a Progressive could come up with the idea that if person A is earning 3 times more money than person B they should pay six times as much tax!