Tulsi votes 'present' on impeachment

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  1. Xavier_Onassis

    Xavier_Onassis Newly Registered

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    I think we can debate all day over what Tulsi Gabbard is, but it is clear that her appearance at the last CPAC meeting pretty much signals that she is politically deceased. Not voting to impeach Trump whan he so clearly was guilty as charged did not help, either. It seems obvious that she can only run as a Democrat in Hawaii and is unelectable. I don't see where any Republican presidential candidate would want her as VP, either.
     
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    Guilty of what "Russian Collusion" "Election Meddling"
     
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    In the first impeachment attempting to blackmail Zelensky into opening a sham investigation on his political opponent

    In the 2nd impeachment inciting a riot/insurrection that led to the delay of the counting of the electoral votes as mandated by the US Constitution

    But you knew that already.
     
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    Telling a group to protest "peacefully" is not inciting a riot .. and there was never an insurrection. .. Why did you not know that already ?
     
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    Because it's not true.

    He used the word "peacefully" ONCE in his speech.
    He used the word "fight" TWENTY FOUR times
    He used the word "stolen" in reference to the lie about a stolen election FOUR times (whipping up an already angry crowd)
    He used the word "election" (referring to his "Big Lie" about a stolen election) SIXTY FOUR times (whipping up an already angry crowd)

    So using the word "peacefully" is not a magic word that nullifies everything else he said in that speech for the purpose of angering the crowd.
     
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    A steaming pile of nonsense is your claim. What is "Not True" .. is the claim that using the term "fight" 24 times necessarily amounts to incitement to riot. The claim is simply false .. having no basis in fact or reality.

    Telling people to "Fight for the right to Abortion Access" or "Fight the Tax Man" is not incitement to riot .. no matter how many times you say it.
     
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    It depends on the situation. In a conference room with other members of the "Alliance defending abortion" and you say "We need to fight for abortion rights" you are correct, that would not be an incitement to riot.

    Telling a frothed up crowd of ARMED people that the election was stolen and that you need to "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore" IS incitement to riot.

    The law has a provision about whether or not you (the speaker) believe that violence is a probable outcome of your speech. Trump KNEW that it was going to lead to violence...he WANTED it to lead to violence.
     
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    Holding back foreign aid is not uncommon. It certainly is not an impeachable offense. In the end Trump released the aid to Ukraine. There has been no proof found Trump incited a riot.
     
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