Turkish Kurds Demand Autonomy In Preference To Violence & Deaths

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Kurds want to be federated into autonomous states like Russia as a solution to the mounting civilian deaths and violence, but I doubt the Turkish government will give them anything. More than likely they will do what the criminals in Kiev have been doing, so instead of dialogue they will continue to ethnically cleanse the Kurdish lands through violence, genocide and the destruction of infrastructure.

    This way the Kurds will be forced to move to Syria the way hundred of thousands of Kurds have done before them...not to mention Christians and everyone else who has been persecuted. That way Turkey can purify the land of all the 'untermenschen' who object to the 'untermenschen' conditions imposed on them.

    So now Assad is suffering for his kindness in taking in all these people. Oh well isn't this how Washington repays nations and people for their decency. To them it doesn't matter, it's all a propaganda game. So if they can convince people through the media that black is white, and white is black, they feel they won the game and the heck with human lives..


    After a two-day meeting in the city of Diyarbakir, the Kurds demanded more autonomy at the local level, suggesting that Turkey should be divided into several autonomous territories which would have their own legislatures and governments.
    According to them, the new federal structure could be a part of the "alternative democratic solution" to the problems in Turkey.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/201...etermination-turkish-kurds.html#ixzz3vdcw1FUo
     
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    Free Kurdistan from Turkish barbarian aggression.
    I truly hope the west wakes up and realizes it has no friend in Turkey, but have one in the Kurds. Aside that I trully hope Russia takes this chance to (*)(*)(*)(*) the Turks.
     
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    I have been a champion of Kurdish independent statehood but I do not trust the imperialist Russians to help. Russian will maybe make a show of helping the Kurds but then the real savage imperialist satanic gang of criminals and agents of genocide the Moskaliy will screw the Kurds.
     
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    You know, I've never been a fan of creating states based on ethnic groups. I always thought the best approach would be unified states where many people mix together.
     
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    That only works when people of various ethnic groups enter unified country at their own will. Except for the African slaves just about everyone who came here or was here already did so on their own accord. That is why it works here. Iraq like the so called Yugoslavia never ever should have been a "country"...
     
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    But are these people being mistreated? I don't know I never really looked into the Kurdish situation.

    Do they have a representative government?
    Are they tortured?
    Can they not live their life like normal people?
     
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    In other thread, two citizens from Turkey, assured that Kurds don't want an autonomy, allegedly it all are very happy in Turkey. They lied my guess:frown:
     
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    They typically share common language, religion, and values, so why shouldn't that form the basis for a country?

    This presages instability, conflict, and disunion, which is basically what we have in a so-called "country" like the United States. It was only about 150 years ago that there was a devastating war between the north and south precisely because people with irreconcilable differences were expected to "mix" with one another under a unitary political system. This centralist model of political organization fails every time it is tried and inevitably leads to internal strife and war - just look at Iraq and Syria, for example. It's much better to base countries on organic factors like ethnicity, religion, culture, etc. than on some pie-in-the-sky multicultural fantasy.
     
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    Except it doesn't really "work" here. The US political system is wasteful, corrupt, and unresponsive to the people, and this is reflected in the dearth of participation and confidence in politics generally. And then there are the endless wars, the sprawling police state, the world's largest prison complex, the massive domestic spying apparatus, the $18.2 trillion in federal debt, the massive wealth gap - the list goes on and on. And it wasn't that long ago that Americans were slaughtering one another by the hundreds of thousands in a war between the north and south. Perhaps it works for the plutocrats in NYC and DC, but the rest of America is getting screwed and screwed hard.
     
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    The Kurds are being mistreated by every central government that presumes to rule over them, whether it's Turkey, Iran, Iraq, or Syria. Thankfully, the silver lining in the disasters of Iraq and Syria is that the Kurdish people have obtained more autonomy, especially in Syria where they are forming one of the most liberalized societies in the entire world. Here is a great article explaining their experiment: Power to the people: a Syrian experiment in democracy

    You should. They deserve the support of every liberal.

    What if they don't want a representative government?

    Unfortunately, yes.

    Define "normal people".

    Of course they are lying. The Kurds are more than capable of speaking for themselves without help from Turkish apparatchiks.
     
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    Well that may be true, but in a country like the USA, for example, it's so large. If it were ever to break up then it's inevitable that there would be sub-regions and that there would be an unequal distribution of resources.

    Some places were always placed in ideal positions to be strong, prosperous states. While others are out in the wilderness and if they were forced to fend for themselves then they would loose out to just, proper routes of transportation, access to people and resources, and some places are land locked and don't have access to the sea or other major trade route connecting hub.

    I mean look at the Native American reservations. They are states within states and look how badly in poverty they are?
     
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    Okay I just looked up a little, Analysts on Kurdish Situation, and it seems that the Turkish Kurds are being persecuted and that the Syrian Kurds are being forced to support that.

    Well I think that the Kurds have been the ones to stand up to the plate, defend their territory against ISIS and police their neighborhoods so that there's stability there.

    I do think that the Kurds deserve their own state. But I worry that if we take the whole area that has Kurds in it that it will take a large chunk of land out of neighboring states, and won't these states have a jealous need to hold onto their land?

    Look at all that land! Go to this link and look at the graphic at the top side of this Wikipedia page, with the caption "Kurdish-inhabited areas":
    Kurdistan
     
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    When the nomadic Kurds settled.. they ended up in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Turkey, Syria and Russia.

    Do you think every group should hack out a piece of any country and make it their own?

    That didn't work out so well in Palestine.
     
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    Well if Kurds get appropriate backing from a world power, they can easily take the land...not to mention no one views the Turks as anything but invaders.
     
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    There are two ways governments handle the different ethnicities in their nations. One way is to federate so they can have more say over their affairs as well as helping them economically. As an example, the Russian Federation has different faiths, and 123 different languages and ethnicities...and as long as they can keep the terrorists from coming back to Russia and arousing the Muslim federations, they can maintain the peace. The other way is to keep the unwanted ethnicities like the Kurds in poverty, that way they will want to leave. These governments, like the present one in Ukraine, want to 'purify' their country and at the same time hold on to lands that do not belong to them.

    Erdogan was upset when the Kurd party took away the seats he needed in Parliament. Those seats were needed to change the constitution, so he could get strong presidential powers. This is why they call him a sultan. After the two terrorist attacks against the Kurds in Turkey, he had a false flag attack and restarted a war with them so as to ethnically cleanse the towns which voted against his party. The Kurds in turn declared their independence from Turkey, and were well prepared to fight...unlike the other times.

    There are killings going on everyday. The Kurds have planted bombs and are killing police and military men, and Turkey has imposed a curfew with snipers who shoot anyone who leaves their home. The intent is to starve the Kurd civilians so they will want to leave. Erdogan has also sent in tanks to demolish the homes. The latest is that 200,000 Kurd refugees are now heading for Europe.
     
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    How about a history lesson and a reality check Margot. The Kurds should have been given their own country at the break up of the Ottoman Empire. Had the Treaty of Sevres taken force they would have had it. The treaty divided the areas of Anatolia according to the populations living there. Armenia would have had its own lands and the Greco/Romans would have had their own lands. The Turks would have kept the lands around Ankara and Italy would have taken control of the Assyrian lands on the Mediterranean coast. The Kurdish lands would have fallen under Britain or France, and eventually they would have been forced to give them their freedom.

    The squabbles between Britain, France and Italy over the Treaty and what lands they should keep, went on for about three years. This gave time time to Attaturk to reorganize the defeated Turkish forces. The traitorous French were the first to make deals with him for their own self interests, and the rest followed suit. This gave Attaturk the chance to kill off and ethnically cleanse the indigenous Christian inhabitants.

    Basically Turkey is an aberration of history, as was the Soviet Union, and it might end up with a similar fate.
     
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    We will continue to support our Turkish allies against Kurdish terror. Kurds who do not support terror should stay out of the way of Turkish bombs.
     
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    The native American reservations are not sovereign states, they are federal government plantations for a conquered people. The native Americans deserve to have their sovereignty returned to them and you will see massive improvements in their lives.

    And there is an unequal distribution of resources already in this country, massively so. Most of it concentrates in places like NYC and DC, so it's not like the centralist political model is preventing that problem from arising. If anything, it's one of the main causes of it. Moreover, if resources were the determinant of a country's wealth and prosperity, then a place like Hong Kong (which has virtually no natural resources to leverage) wouldn't be one of the richest countries in the world.

    Of course they will be jealous, but they are in the wrong and the Kurds are in the right. Their petty jealousy is not a good reason to deny the Kurdish people their political independence. The world needs to put pressure on all those countries to respect the Kurdish people's natural rights.
     
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    Okay well regarding the Kurds I sent a message to the White House, to Obama, to look into the treatment of Kurds. :emailsend:

    Regarding the Native Americans, I forget the exact details of this, but I remember a map being made of some Native American state somewhere in the middle of the USA. I thought it was a good start, but I thought they needed to add a narrow leg down south into the Texas area, I'm not sure the exact shape I was thinking of. But I thought they needed access to a major transportation hub. I think there's a super highway, or something, somewhere in Texas, or there about.
     
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    I hope not: While the world was busy talking about what to do with the Yazidi families with children trapped on the mountain without food and water while ISIS was waiting to slaughter them, the brave Kurds rescued them and led them to safety. I call them brave heroes, and wonder why our government isn't doing more to assist them in their fight against ISIS. I realize Turkey resents them, but WTH is going on?
     
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    Well I sent a message to Obama earlier to look into it, but I think the issue of Kurdish terrorism will have to be dealt with.

    And I worry about the Kurdish refugies heading to Europe. There are fires in Europe and they will be the last to go out.
     

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