Turkish Navy Chased Israeli Research Ship Out Of Cypriot Waters

Don't you know, Turkey owns the Mediterranean, or at least according to Erdogan, so they have to ask them for permission. And according to Erdogan it's all in compliance to International Law. So what law you ask? Why Erdogan's law of course.

"...Turkey does not have jurisdiction over the area of the Mediterranean Sea in which the researchers were working..."

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/T...search-ship-deporting-it-out-of-Cyprus-610923​

 

I will never know why Turkey is apart of NATO

 

Turkey was invited into Nato after its soldiers fought with us in the Korean war. As for now, it's part of Nato so as to pacify the Baltic nations who have large Russian populations, and fear they will want to become part of Russia and take their land with them. In other words a Crimea situation.

 

Just for an FYI

To ghost readers on here Turkey has the largest American based nuclear bombers on its soil

 

Someone tell Erdogan as well as the E.U. and their navies presence in the Eastern Mediterranean.
The Battle of Lepanto was a naval engagement that took place on 7 October 1571 when a fleet of the Holy League, a coalition of European Catholic states arranged by Pope Pius V, inflicted a major defeat on the fleet of the Ottoman Empire in the Gulf of Patras.


What hurts Greece and Italy is of little concern to Brussels. True?
Italy and Greece should make this an ItExit and GrExit Issue!



Moi

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Israelis shoukd have sunk the Turkish vessel and no longer tolerate the regions zionophobia.

 

I would prefer the EU Navy
but, your suggestion is okay.

 

I prefer there to not be an EU Navy..

English navy, german navy. And so on yes..
Eu nope

 

What of "the French".

C'mon.
If the Italian and Greek Navies can't
they must really s*ck.
I want those Euros to experience "Operation Manhood"
and not rely on more Northern Euro help. Nor
And the French could still be part of it. For the "honor".
And if the French destroy the ship's linen for White Flags
make them pay to replace the linen.


Moi

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Turkey is de facto occupying a part of Cyprus that has a fast number of Truks living there, for generations.
The Greeks on the island tried to massacre them, and have refused all deals with the Turks... hence the Turkey remains there.

You think Israel doesn't know how an occupation works, and who is boss?

 

Because from Turkey, you can attack Iran, Irak, Syria and control the sea towards Russia/Ukraine/Crimea.
Duh

 

They should have left the EU a long time ago, and especially Greece before Turkey packed the islands neighboring it with Muslims from the Central Asian States and Africa. They're still sneaking onto the Aegean islands in the thousands each week - thanks to Germany's bankruptcy of Greece and its migratory laws.

Greece's problem was that if it left the EU and declared bankruptcy, there was no one to help them out. Russia was going to with China, but the US started its sanction bit, and Moscow began struggling for its own survival.

 

Britain promised it would hand Cyprus to Greece after WWI and WWII, but it didn't since it was a strategic part of its lifeline. When Greece brought the situation to the UN, the British aroused the 11% Turks living on the island to start objecting and a nationalist para military group from Greece went to Cyprus and killed some Turkish protesters.

Nixon at the time was being impeached, and Kissinger who was Echevit's professor gave him the go ahead and told the Greeks not to dare stop the Turkish invasion and that the Turkish army can't afford to stay there. Of course our State Dept. found a way to cover the costs by sending the money to Germany and they forwarded it to Turkey. The Turks on Cyprus did what they usually do, and began massacring the Greeks, so they ran to the other half of the island and ended up as refugees.

People talk about Nazi Germany, yet no one ran for their lives when they invaded - which was a mistake on the part of the Jews. Maybe because killing part of a population was not done in Europe, so it was unexpected. I know in Thessalonica which was predominately Sephardic Jews from Spain, they didn't leave and ended up in concentration camps. Non survived since the Germans didn't consider them strong enough for heavy work, while in Athens the head Rabbi got up and left for the mountains. This was a signal to the rest of the Jews to follow suit.

As for the Greeks in Cyprus, the Greeks ran to the other part of the island so they wouldn't be killed, and when the Turkish army took half the island, Kissinger told Echevit that's enough. Turks were then shipped from the mainland onto Cyprus to taken over the Greek homes and to change the demographics since territorial expansion and political advancement has always been part of the Islamic faith.

 

The situation in the Eastern Mediterranean is really heating up, and it even involves Israel and the Palestinians. The nations which did not support Israel before, are now supporting them in the UN because the Palestinians are backed by Turkey.

All this friction has to do with the enormous mineral wealth in the Aegean and Mediterranean (Which I personally think is a little ridiculous because we're talking about the most earthquake prone place in the world. One major earthquake and 'poof', everything goes down.) Erdogan said that either they will assert themselves everywhere or they will die - and he's right. Much of Turkey belongs to the Kurds. He feels he's fighting for Turkey's survival.

This is what's going on:
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1 - Turkey is flying over Greek air space and considers it as their own.

2 - Turkey chased away the Italians from searching for oil and gas in waters that it had agreed to with Cyprus a few years back, claiming that they have to make their agreements with Turkey.

3 - More recently Turkey chased away the French, and the French said they will support Cyprus and Greece militarily but that remains to be seen.

4 - Turkey is also threatening Greek ships in Cypriot and Greek waters.

5 - Erdogan signed an agreement with the government in Libya that makes claims to almost all the Greek territorial waters and which completely ignores the islands of Crete and Rhodes as if they didn't exist. This government in Libya which is part of the Muslim Brotherhood is recognized by the American government, as well as by the UN.

6 - The EU does not accept the agreement with Libya, after all Germany sees the oil and gas as being payments which they forced upon Greece, yet the UN said the Greeks should come to terms with Turkey. In other words give them what legally belongs to Greece.

7- General Hafter who is ready to invade Tripoli and take over the government of Fayez al Sarraj, has come to an agreement with Greece, and is said to have support from Russian mercenaries. Yet Turkey said it might send troops to support Sarraj's government in Tripoli against General Hafter - if they ask. This would put Russia's paramilitary's in direct confrontation with Turkey.

8 - All these things are creating friction between Russia and Turkey the same way the Kurds are creating friction between the US and Turkey.

9 - Greece was ready to sign it's delineation of territorial waters with Israel and Egypt so they could start pumping the oil and gas, when Erdogan told Egypt that Greece would be stealing your wealth, and so they changed the lines.
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Original map of Greek territorial waters showing the Greek waters joining the Cypriot waters which freaked out Turkey:

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This map shows what Turkey considers it's legal position in the Mediterranean, completely ignoring the territorial waters of Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus as if they didn't exist.

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This map shows Turkey's agreement with the Muslim Brotherhood government in Tripoli. According to Turkey the Greek islands have no claims, and only the continental shelf has - yet according to the agreements between nations which Turkey did not sign, islands do have separate claims which has nothing to do with continental shelfs.

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I know it's all confusing, but this gives a rough idea of what's going on - and the situation is very, very serious.

 

The US air force in Libya is evacuating the American agents and personnel in Bengazi where General Haftar's forces are. The General has been attacking Tripoli heavily these past 24 hours, and a Turkish attack on Libya in support of Pres. Saraj might be immanent.

I'm curious to know what Russia will do. There are rumors that Russian mercenaries are supporting General Haftar's forces.

 

Well today the Israeli navy and air force showed the Turks exactly who is boss. Even considering Israel's internal problems, if they were to show weakness the situation would become much worse.

 

Please link or explain.

 

I picked it up on the Greek site. Seems they delayed in responding to Turkey because of internal problems, but realized that if they didn't then it would only encourage Turkey and they couldn't afford that.

Of course the Turks ran back to their base.

 

I find references of the Israeli air force, but not the Israeli navy.

I support Israel until something better evolves in the Middle East

 

I try to get the information from Greekpro.news, and the Greek vocabulary is so extensive it's impossible to read so I'm dependent on the translation and since Greek is almost impossible to translate, I'm not always accurate.

Anyway here's the latest on the agreement between Libya and Turkey. Now mind you Merkel pressured Putin to remove its mercenaries supporting General Haftar, and to recognize the government of Pres. Saraj and to try to form some kind of peace between them. (Good old Germany, always the political idiots - maybe because they lean towards their former allies?)

If you take a look at the map below of the area that the Turkish military will now be covering, you will see how dangerous it is for Greece, Israel and Egypt. The Turkish military will have control of all those areas and also Libya's oil as well. No one will be able to move in and out of the Eastern Mediterranean without Turkey's permission - which is freaking out Pres. Sisi of Egypt, since he fears an eventual overthrow by a Muslim Brotherhood government.

"...Already in the published military cooperation agreement, Turkey is given the opportunity to develop Rapid Response Force, to move its vessels freely in Libyan territorial waters and to fly its military aircraft (fighter and transshipment) freely in the Libyan territories, but also to carry out missions on the Libyan government's request!.."



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Last time I checked... Greece was ones run by a bunch of far right nationalistic bunch who wanted to take all of Cyprus back within it's borders aka "enosis". They made a coup happen on Cyprus and the Greeks and Greek Cypriots started to ethnic cleanse the Turkish Cypriots at gun point by the 100's. Turkey gave a warning, and than invaded to protect it's minority against them Greek nazi's. And Turkey -like it or not- has a right somewhere. Greece, UK and Turkey signed a Treaty of Guarantee. It gives the right to them, if the other trashes the independence of Cyprus. And so far the Greek Cypriots have been unwilling to unify again.

 

I believe Turkey have very little resources, I'm sure the loss of the Arabian Peninsula after the shrinking of the Ottoman empire still smarts. Erdogan needs resources, the economy is looking grim and he needs money to give him some control... or risk being controlled. Of course his actions is steering us into a conflict.

 

A little reality. Greece freed its territories little by little from the Ottoman Empire. The country didn't pop up out of thin air. The Cypriots were Greeks and according to the Treaty of Lausanne which was signed by Attaturk, all the land in Anatolia would be given to Turkey, and all the islands would be given to Greece, including Cyprus which was promised to be given over to Greece by Winston Churchill at the end of the war.

According to the Treaty, Two and a half million Greeks in Anatolia, were to be exchanged for half a million Turks from the Greek islands. Constantinople was to retain 500 thousand Greeks, and Thrace was to retain 25 thousand Turks. Today there are only 2 thousand Greeks in Constantinople because of the pogroms in the 1950's when they were attacked and killed and their businesses destroyed, while in Thrace the Turks are now over 100 thousand.

What happened was that after WWII, Greece was fighting a civil war with the communists, so Britain felt that Greece was too unstable to takeover Cyprus since it was part of their lifeline. When Greece brought it up at the UN, Britain aroused the Turks who were only 11% of the population at the time to start objecting.

Later on in order to hold on to Cyprus and keep it from wanting to unite with Greece, Britain did what it did with Northern Ireland. They made favorable trade deals so that Cyprus' economy would be greater than Greece's economy. That way they wouldn't want to unite with Greece.

 

You can whine all over. But the treaty that was signed by Greece, UK and Turkey after WWII is the one that matters. Treaties who are older between them countries are not relevant since they agreed on this after WWII. It demands that Cyprus would not be part of either Greece or Turkey. The Greeks broke that treaty on that account, giving the Turks the right to intervene. And so they did. And it was not as if Greece had their balls twisted to sign that treaty at that time as well. They just overplayed their cards thinking they would achieve that enosis. Everything else is this mantra of "but Greeks are Christians and Turks are Muslim... and lets take a position based on that".

The broken treaty remains a broken treaty. Not disputable.

 

Turkey has some legitimate concerns, as well as paranoia. The Aegean is packed with Greek islands, so according to international law, it becomes a Greek lake. Because of a small Greek island called Kastelorizo, all the Greek waters in the Eastern Mediterranean unite with the Cypriot waters and cut off Turkey completely - so Turkey decided to make up its own laws, and grab everything for itself.

It's a pity because the more Europeanized Western Turkey and Greece should be one country, the people have so much in common and it is the homeland of both people. Because of the Kurds Erdogan fears for Turkey's survival, so he decided it's either do or die.