Turnbull is doing hydro!

My first thought was......yay!!!! Finally a conservative government has a plan for the future and a renewable energy plan at that. It gets the excitement juices going at the prospect of exciting new visionary developments.
Unfortunately, nobody who was somebody had the slightest inkling of such a development plan. Is there something more sinister? Everything Turnbull does and says looks dang awkward and is shadowed by an ulterior plan. The guy is at the point of being really annoying and has such pretentious manners of excitement. The hydro development is nowhere in the ball park of major in terms of Snowy hydro 1 of the NBN. In saying this it is a good plan but for frigs sake you don't pretentiously get excited because It reeks of something sinister!

 

I like it, they are doing a feasibility study and that will be ready by the end of the year, the figure mentioned is $2 billion, but they reckon it will produce 20 times the South Australia battery plan.

I think what's probably sinister about all this is he's also pushing fracking, so let's not confuse him with Snow White. Also, he's all action now because the government should have done something 10 to 15 years ago. They had their population predictions why are we now having a crisis?

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/pm-summons-gas-producers-to-deal-with-energy-crisis-20170309-guu7tu

 

I like it too,
however, global warming, extended hydro in the snowy mountains, hmmmmmmmmmmmm - not quite sure it will work out.
And if it doesn't let Labor deal with it and blame them......
Regards

 

Yeah, it looks like they're doing the inconceivable from a few years back and opening up the flood gates of fracking. Hey look there!.........it's a Muslim!

Farmers were up in arms over underground aquifers and Allan Jones was ripping into proponents and the industry, while supporting The Lock the Gates movement. It was always a royalties issue and little concern for underground aquifersand environmental damage and probably knowing that it was a realitively safe process despite all the scaremongering. It was all an excuse to ensure farmers got a piece of the action. This sh!t is going to be liquified and shipped over seas for large profits. They don't want to extract for domestic use.

Wind and solar are clearly our renewable energy sources. The NSW government restricted solar kilowatts per households so go figure......why????Many were starting to put electricity back through the grid but this wasn't making money and supporting their coal industry.

Sorry for the rave but you opened up a can of worms SW, for me anyway.....lol!

 

Slight of hand stuff by the sounds of it! "hey look, we're doing our bit for the planet!......BS they are!

 

You can almost feel sorry for the fool except he is such a ****. This latest bubble is a joke, just like Turnbull. Hurry up election, let's get rid of these incompetent idiots.

 

[QUOTE="truthvigilante, post: 1067224414, member: 59271"
Wind and solar are clearly our renewable energy sources. The NSW government restricted solar kilowatts per households so go figure......why????Many were starting to put electricity back through the grid but this wasn't making money and supporting their coal industry.

Sorry for the rave but you opened up a can of worms SW, for me anyway.....lol![/QUOTE]

Solar is a big issue for me, we have solar panels and whilst our gas bill is really high in winter ($200-$250/month) our electricity bill is low in summer ($10-$30 per month). Unfortunately the electricity companies decided they are paying too much for what we put back in the grid and dropped their buy rates, The Greens were the only party campaigning on the issue during the last election.

 

Solar is a big issue for me, we have solar panels and whilst our gas bill is really high in winter ($200-$250/month) our electricity bill is low in summer ($10-$30 per month). Unfortunately the electricity companies decided they are paying too much for what we put back in the grid and dropped their buy rates, The Greens were the only party campaigning on the issue during the last election.[/QUOTE]

Yeap,
the Greens aren't routed up their arse by Unions (Labor), nor by huge companies and mining magnates (Liberals & Nationals).
Time to rethink..............
Cheers

 

Not only that but there has been a lot of concern that the Snowy has already suffered too much from water restriction from that dam. There are already environmental concerns about the lack of flow
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-...rns-surrounding-snowy-hydro-expansion/8358918

Best you can say about Turnbull is that he is not Trump!

 

Yeap,
the Greens aren't routed up their arse by Unions (Labor), nor by huge companies and mining magnates (Liberals & Nationals).
Time to rethink..............
Cheers[/QUOTE]
If I had a solar array I would be thinking seriously about a Tesla bank

 

Be fair. We have had two Labor administrations in the time period you refer to as well that had the opportunity to do something, but didn't. They even campaigned on green solutions when Gillard was PM, but still nothing.

I am totally against fracking. It is a one way street to disaster.

I think the Snowy was chosen for two reasons that I can see. 1. It already has existing infrastructure that can be built upon. 2. It sits pretty much in between the two largest power consumers, Sydney and Melbourne. So delivery would be more cost effective.

I think someone on another thread was pushing decentralised energy grids. I don't mind this idea. As a North Queenslander we have many rivers that would more than meet the criteria for Hydro, but that would mean more dams, and the Greens are negative to this. I think a good mix of renewables in a decentralised sense would be prudent. In the initial set up you can always incorporate coal until a reliable solution to green energy can be reached. This may take decades, but at least it is moving forward. However storage is still the biggest issue in regards to a green solution. Because we have privatised the energy industry, they will be very reluctant to partner up with green energy to share the burden. It is just not cost effective for them. Therefore green energy direct to the grid will always be a small percentage.

 

This is a little bit of track but a number of years ago Peter Beattie suggested we build pipes to transport water from Queensland to Victoria to help the Murray river (since you have a flood almost every year now)

I just wonder if anyone know why they never considered it.

 

You are talking about his water grid idea?

What I learned about Beatie is that he had no end of throw away ideas, especially leading in to an election. He certainly isn't Robinson Crusoe there.

The shear cost of implementation would be staggering not to mention the cost of running such a scheme. Who would pay what? Three states bickering back and forth. It would make the nonsence between SA and the feds seem civil. Then what would happen if NQ fell into long term drought as it currently is? What about the GBR which relies heavily on this fresh flow to reduce sea temps?

perhaps when we finally rid ourselves of these cumbersome states and run purely under federal, things like water and energy grids may take flight. BUT while we are burdened financially and politically by state politics these future ideas will inevitably be placed on ice.

 

Yeap,
the Greens aren't routed up their arse by Unions (Labor), nor by huge companies and mining magnates (Liberals & Nationals).
Time to rethink..............
Cheers[/QUOTE]

If I had a solar array I would be thinking seriously about a Tesla bank[/QUOTE]

Certainly makes sense but bloody expensive. May work for QLDers who get substantial feed in tariffs.

 

Smart and passionate guy who constantly brain stormed ideas. Lefties seem to be the thinkers, whilst our conservative side hate the thought of it : ). It causes their world to change too quickly it seems. That's the reason why I'm so surprised by the current pretentiously conservative Turnbull!

 

There is still a lot of contention over Cubbie station and the Darling. And this is natural flow disrupted. Our problems is that it is either drought or flooding rain. We need to revise how we manage water as a country

 

If only the left could implement their ideas cost effectively. No happy medium I am afraid.

 

Exactly BB. storage is the issue. How we manage to store the resource without too much impact on the environment. It seems almost impossible due to the lack of reliability in our weather patterns.

 

Yes I really liked Peter Beattie too, I was very disappointed when he left politics

 

I would like to see more "overflow" storage. Dams that are only filled once the main river is in flood. I am no hydrologist so I only have a vague concept of how you would build such a dam and you would have to overcome the natural resistance of the farming community to want dams to stay filled with water - because these would not. They basically would only fill with floods and would naturally dry out between times but they would have some advantage to the farms in that the flooded area would support more cattle but it would be fairly minor and may even be worse as the dam dries it becomes a mud trap

I would be good if we could use our old mines as water traps but they are often too fraught

 

Because of the damage (water wise) to large ag holdings around the QLD/NSW border.

 

Lefties USED to be thinkers. Now they're emoters.

Or more accurately, many have exchanged thinking for emoting. There are some thinkers left ... left.

 

If I had a solar array I would be thinking seriously about a Tesla bank[/QUOTE]

Certainly makes sense but bloody expensive. May work for QLDers who get substantial feed in tariffs.[/QUOTE]

Off grid is the only way to fly. My advice to homeowners is, don't waste money on renos, spend it on self sufficiency. It won't make you rich, but jesus h christ it's good for the soul.

 

Unfortunately, and contrary to popular belief, Australia's soil structure is not great for dams. You couple that with our high evaporation rates and storage possibilities are greatly reduced, especially up here in the north. We have better luck further south where the soil structure and geography support storage capabilities far better, although not perfectly.

The fact is Australia is the worlds driest continent and over the last two hundred odd years we have not only farmed, but also inhabited this continent as if it were Europe. Things are changing fairly quickly these days as we have finally admitted the folly. Australians have an inherited fascination with the green lawn and evergreen trees, they are so pretty. They also suck vast amounts of moisture. Every new dwelling should have water storage capacity and grey water recycling as part of the building covenant. This will alleviate a certain percentage of stress on water storage facilities.

On a broader term, I am unsure how we could enhance our storage capabilities under our environmental parameters.

 

Certainly makes sense but bloody expensive. May work for QLDers who get substantial feed in tariffs.[/QUOTE]

Off grid is the only way to fly. My advice to homeowners is, don't waste money on renos, spend it on self sufficiency. It won't make you rich, but jesus h christ it's good for the soul.[/QUOTE]

If you live out in the bush Crank. Do you live rural?

I'd stick to the security of the grid, which would be soothing for the soul enough without the massive costs for storage. I'd be devastated if I couldn't make my morning coffee!