U.S. Secret Service Agent Writes Stinging Article Doubting Obama's Credentials

Right, because States never lie when there is billions of federal dollars involved...

I'm not a birther, but please don't think for one second that any State is simply incapable of lying because they are a State. Although if you trust the government that much, regardless of how naive it might be, I could understand why you desire to expand it as much as you do.

 

Then why is the state of HI keeping the original birth record sealed despite a subpoena? They go to federal court on Nov. 30th on the matter. Why not simply honor the subpoena, if everything is legitimate?

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Let's just remove him via the ballot box

 

not enough, the whole truth has to come out. but you're right that will solve a lot of problems.

 

It must be the goodwill and merriment of the holiday speaking...

I'd not complain if there were a judicial method used to remove that guy.

 

Would having your head up your ass qualify as "in over your head"?

 

I'll be generous to Obama- yes.

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what are you the board's black cloud newman ? first you crap on a thankgiving greeting. why can't you be a lttle nicer ??

 

Woogs: you may want to check your facts. Obama attended school in Indonesia for 3 years.. 2 years at a Catholic School and one year at an international school.

According to Indonesian citizenship law, Obama would have to live in Indonesia for ten years after attaining his majority to become an Indonesian citizen.

 

What is compelling about that? US citizenship law does not allow parents to denounce their childrens' citizenship. Indonesian law is not taken into account as to rather or not a person like Obama, who was born in the US to a citizen of the US, is granted US citizenship.

 

Why would he know the vetting process? Just because he is in the Secret Service? There are many facets to the Secret Service. For all we know of this partisan hack, he could've just been another pencil pusher at a desk somewhere.

From the SS website:

Also, it's time to change the name of the Secret Service. There's nothing "secret" about it. Sounds a little to much like a fascist throwback if you ask me.

 

Are you not referring to how a foreigner obtains Indonesian citizenship?

Possibly this criteria was used?

a child from an illegal marriage whose mother is a foreign citizen but the father is an Indonesian citizen and recognizes the child as his child before the child turns 18 or is married

From Wiki (the only source I found with a list detailing citizenship requirements) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_nationality_law

Now, the above criteria wouldn't be 'honest', since he was in Indonesia with his Mother and step-father, but it would explain how he would be listed as an Indonesian citizen. He did go by the name Soetoro there, so the step-father in some way claimed him.

I'm not making any concrete claim, but it seems apparent that Obama (Soetoro) was at one time a citizen of a country that doesn't allow for dual citizenship.

Now, Wiki does list ways to lose Indonesian citizenship, and that may have happened. It's just that this question has never been answered one way or the other as far as I know.

 

OK...I just replied to Margot on that. If, as you say, a parent cannot renounce their child's US citizenship and he is in Indonesia, a country that doesn't allow dual citizenship as an Indonesian citizen, then something isn't right. It could be as simple as the possible explanation I offered, that his step-father claimed him as his own. I can see how in that time a man could just claim a child and that would be the end of that. It's not honest on the step-father's part, but it's certainly plausible.

It still leaves open the question of Obama's Indonesian citizenship. It's an important question when we're talking about the POTUS.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyYOo-1w1_o

 

No, it doesn't. US code explicitly states that the US citizenship of a a child cannot be renounced by the child's parent. So even if Obama was adopted by Soetoro, and there is no evidence that he was, then President Obama would still retain his US citizenship until he was of legal age to renounce it himself. He spent less than 4 years in Indonesia and returned when he was 10. So there is NOTHING that his parents could have done that would have caused him to lose US citizenship.

The idea that someone loses citizenship just because they spend a few years in another country as a child is simply ridiculous.

 

So it wasn't just the parents or grandparents who conspired to have the newspapers publish false information -- it was also the Hawaii Department of Health.

Thanks for clearing that up!

 

His mother's remarriage to a foreign national did not alter Obama's US citizenship.

foreign citizen can apply to become an Indonesian citizen with the following requirements:

* being the age of 18 years or older, or being married
* when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years
* physically and mentally healthy
* can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945
* never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more
* if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship
* employed or have fixed income
* pay the citizenship fee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_nationality_law

 

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he would know the process from being vetted. just to be in the secret service. there is plenty secret about the secret sevice, you just don't know it because it's secret.

 

I doubt he was in the Secret Service.. The guys I know are pretty bright.. and clearly this guy and Berg haven't even bothered to read Indonesian citizenship law.

 

Then just provide some evidence that the State of Hawaii is lieing.

Really, I understand that there are those of you who assume the government lies about everything. But oddly enough you seem to accept as proof any internet blogger who decides to post something, but are incredibly skeptical of any government documents.

You can assume that the birth certificate is fake, that the State of Hawaii has lied through two different administrations, Republican and Democrat, that Hawaiian State officials have risked criminal prosecution to cover up what would be the biggest scandal in our history, for no apparent reason, even though that information matches the birth announcements.

That through 3 years of Birther 'investigations', Trump crack investigators, Corsi's mole in the Department of Health there still isn't a bit of actual evidence to support any of the many theories Birthers have brought forth- unless you accept as evidence the Kenyan Birth Certificate being hawked by a convicted forgerer.

Oh wait...you call me naive...

 

Because unlike Birthers, Hawaii respects the law.

There is no valid subpoena. Hawaii keeps all birth records sealed according to Hawaiian State law, which doesn't allow self appointed investigators the option to go fishing through official state records.

The answer is- the subpoena is not legitimate, and unlike Birthers, Hawaii respects the law.

 

Sigh.

Actually two Governors have had his records verified.

First of all Republican Governor Lingle, who campaigned for John McCain, asked the then Director of Health- Dr. Fukino to confirm that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Dr. Fukino along with the Registrar of Records- the top two official in charge of among other thing Birth records checked and confirmed that Barack Obama's birth certificate was on file- told the governor, and Dr. Fukino confirmed it with a public statement.

Then this year, the new Director of Health, appointed by the Democratic Governor of Hawaii, verified the records again when a copy of the birth certificate was made, and provided to the President, and verified it to the Governor.

The people entitled to see the records by law, saw them. They reported the verification to their bosses- the Governor of Hawaii.

I will point out once again- we have actual evidence that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. We have nothing but the word of the writer that he was a secret service agent.

Isn't it amusing how Birthers always accept any Birther's credentials simply on their word....but assume any actual evidence of Barack Obama being born in the United States must be a fraud?

 

And you know he was in the Secret Service how?

 

Lets review what you are basing your claim on- there is a school registration form- that you have never seen the original of- that hasn't been verified by any expert- that lists 6 year old Barack Obama as Soetoro, lists his citizenship as Indonesian and shows his place of Birth as Hawaii.

Now....tell me what part of this you accept and what part you don't, and use this same criteria for all Birther questions.

If you claim this is actual proof that Obama was an Indonesian citizen, then it must also be proof he was born in Hawaii.

But the only way you can figure out he could have been an Indonesian citizen is if his step father lied about his relationship. But if you believe he could lie about that- why couldn't he have lied about Obama's citizenship on the school registration?

And anyone who accepts this as proof of anything, but rejects the birth announcements and the birth certificates is just a hypocrite.