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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    This is interesting
     
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    It is lining up coordinates to head back to the moon.
     
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    Looks Martian to me.
     
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    Something's going on for sure but anyone with actual proof is being muzzled or they believe that we should not be informed. It could be a super secret military craft if the video has not been altered.
     
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    The space station orbits at 248 miles and 17,500 mph. If we have a military craft at that speed and altitude heading up, that would be some seriously big news.

    I think this can all be verified in the public domain. ie I believe this comes from public data. We will have to see if it is/was confirmed or debunked.
     
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    The obvious thing to do with this kind of thing is to check the comments for anyone offering a rational explanation of the observation and in this case a couple of them did exactly that, leading us on to this; https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...n-camera-did-not-capture-new-ufo-footage.html

    Of course, that assumes you want to know the truth rather than wanting to maintain speculative assumptions about secret government craft or aliens. :cool:
     
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    Given the amount of money that is never publicly accounted for by the Pentagon, I would not rule out that the American military can do this. It seems very probably to me.
     
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    Except the explanation doesn't make sense.

    How did it go up?

    You do have to be careful. Debunkers are often crackpots too.
     
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    It isn't just a money problem. It is a technology problem. In short, we don't have the science to build something like that.

    Keeping in mind that it probably isn't real. :)
     
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    The suggestion in the comments is that it is orbiting ISS and only appears to go "up" due to that and the motion of the camera (and quite possibly how the source video was cut/edited for YouTube).

    My point isn't about presenting a definitive answer anyway, it's more about demonstrating how the people who promote these kind of things are more than happy to make wild speculations about "government stealth spaceships operating out of Area 51" or aliens but never even consider any of the countless mundane explanations for this kind of observation. I'd suggest that is primarily because there is no money to be made selling books and films about space trash. :cool:
     
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    No, it wasn't the motion of the camera. That doesn't make sense. That is a dodge. And the rest is a wild ass guess. We can all guess it was faked. Can't we somehow access the archives of ISS videos? Oh wait, the "debunkers" had the original and couldn't prove it was faked?

    Yes, I've been doing this for 30 years, I've noticed. I also know it isn't all BS.

    Also, your logic is flawed. Most fakes have nothing to do with movies or books. They do it for attention.
     
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    At 9:13 it looks like it transformed from an orbiting object to a hand-drawn missile.
     
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    The video is 9:13 long
     
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    I don't know what that is, but, since the feed wasn't cut, I take that as evidence that the attitude about UFOs has changed behind the scenes.
     
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    I see the transition you are referring to. But it appears to change direction and head up before that happens.

    I keep thinking there must be an archive of original ISS videos. But maybe it is just too much.
     
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    Thanks for pointing out my time frame error.
    Anyway, at about that point in the video, the object does seem to transform, and that does seem to be the result of some editing. But, all I have is an opinion. And some sarcasm (that I'm withholding)
     
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    I'm under the impression that in the past when a UFO was recorded on the ISS feed the video stream was cut.

    You could try a YouTube search for videos related to the ISS and UFOs.
     
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    Haha, if one has an interest, it just goes with the turf that about 95% of reports are faked or can be explained.

    But it can't all be dismissed. That is why people get hooked. It is a constant search for the diamond in the rough. But they do exist.
     
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    I honestly can't say they do or don't. We either believe the theories and examples or we don't. I certainly do think it's possible, but I'm not convinced it's happened.

    It could be that there is something deep in the human psyche that causes us to believe or to search for other beings. As far back as we have any kind of records (including cave paintings) humans have looked to the sky for a higher life form. Whether or not there are gods or aliens, we never stop looking. If we didn't look, we'd never have had a space station. It's all good.
     
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    This is one of the most impressive reports because

    1. There were so many witnesses, including a General, two pilots, tower operators, and civilians.
    2. There were physical effects on two different aircrafts on multiple occasions
    3. It responded to a pursuit, acted evasively and even agressively
    4. it was tracked on multiple RADARS
    5. At the time, this was an arm of the US military, which is why we had inteliigence officers on the scene. And this is why they were flying F4s
    6. This report went to all of the highest levels, including the NSA, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the White House.
    7. We know now that no such human technology existed then that could account for this report. This was 1976.
    8. The General and both pilots have been interviewed publicly. And to this day their stories have not changed.
    https://www.nsa.gov/Portals/70/docu...ified-documents/ufo/routing_slip_ufo_iran.pdf
     
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    I won't challenge any beliefs, but I read the words "possible" and "potential" in there too many times. The best I can do is to wonder if it was just a random series of events that lead us to assumptions based on our beliefs.
     
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    How can you know that? To understand the actual motion of the object, we'd have to understand the relative motion of the ISS and the camera itself. The fact is that how it appears to move on the screen doesn't automatically mean that is how it moved in reality.

    Everything is a guess. The person on the video talking "stealth craft" and "Area 51" was most certainly a wild guess and anyone speculating about aliens would be a wild guess too. The only concrete information relating to this is that about the jettisoned equipment and I see no justification for dismissing that out of hand just because it would be a boring answer that doesn't feed any conspiracy theories.

    I never suggested anything was fake, only that the way material like this is presented can massively influence how it initially appears to the casual viewer.
     
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    They picked up a Star Tac report, and were delivering it back to Moon Station. All the tech our government has it 10 to 30 years ahead. They have people like Musk to make it look like it was just discovered. And, there are plenty of Debunkers out there. After all these years don't you think our top Astronauts have a top secret clearance.
     
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    Great sarcasm!!
     
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    You can't account for the relative motion with the camera angle. The camera was moving up and tracking the object. The earth clearly falls out of view.

    If it wasn't fake, then it is technology far beyond anything we know of here on earth.

    I don't know why you get to obsessed with the idea of conspiracy theories. I could care less about that and never said a thing. You are the one arguing this is some conspiracy so some unknown person can write a book. And I never said a thing about aliens.

    It is almost certainly something that was faked or can be explained. But if it isn't, it is profoundly interesting. Most often if something is faked, it can be definitively debunked. I have probably debunked a thousand or more reports myself. But so far the debunking on this doesn't make sense.
     
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