UK joins Syrian invasion with material military support

And what is your position then?

Negotiations excluding Assad?

As for Israel, not Israel not everything has something to do with Israel.

 

LOL you wont even read the wiki source you provide. "This great consensus shows the political maturity of Syria and the brilliance of our democracy," said the interior minister.

97 % for Assad, and then low and behold half the country rebels against him.

But please tell us just one thing in your source that confirms irrefutable that he was elected fair and square....

 

My positon, to be honest, is more one of neutrality, and watching.

I certainly cannot ever take the side of a false civil war, in which many of the fighters have been shipped in from killer Islamic cells,and armed to the teeth by the Saudis, CIA, and our corrupt London Gov are in the mix too. Why would I trust that cabal, they are born liars, and warmongers, the very worse of people. Israel can be added to that cabal too, which then makes it even worse.

I would stay well away from anything they support, and question anyone or anything they demonise, indeed, as a fast rule of thumb, I tend to take what they say, and reverse it, since their words and actions never match.

It is further my view that people better placed than you or I have said that Syrians do NOT support these 'rebels', and little wonder, when one looks more closely at them, beyond the usual BS Western narrative. It is so foggy it may be impossible to measure that in an absolute sense, either way, however, again, since I would not believe ANYTHING that came out of our media, it is more than possible that many or most Syrians do not support these fake rebels at all, and are victims of them.

We've also already had Israel flying into Syrian airspace for goodness sake, so all else aside, there is a clear violation right there, since if Israel flew over British airspace, I sure as hell would want the RAF up there doing what they would be right to do.

I grew up, much like any British person, with this one sided narrative about Gadaffi. Then I did something. I read and learned the side they do not tell us, and I grew to realise that not only was he among the most moderate of Muslim leaders, he did amazing things that Libyans should feel proud of.

Things I may add that someone like Thatcher would never had done for us.

Ever.

He paid for the Worlds largest man made resevoir, Libyans called that the 'Eight Wonder'.

This was to assure his people of good water. It was also the first thing the cowards of NATO bombed.

He swore to house every Libyan, even before his own father. And he did.

The more one looks beyond how we were raised to see things, the more they realise that Libyans have much to thank that man for, and I assure you, Libya will now suffer for what has been done.

Just as Syrian will, if the bad cabal get their own way.

It is not a true civil war, if 10,000 American rose up against the US Gov, with arms, you would expect the US Gov to deal with that, right?

And what if the 10,000 got guns and arms, and money from China?

Would Americans like that?

Syria was ALWAYS on the radar for the bad cabal.

I think it was David Frum that coined the term 'Axis of Evil'.

Syria were on it, I am sure.

 

Fascinating stuff, is there anything I can take away from this as real or is it all just hearsay based on your llack of trust in western governments?

By the way there any recent arab revolutions you would support?

 

NEWS: Jew hating Nazi swine back Baathists,

now let's be real, that's accurate

 

Not really, no.

How about you?

 

Tunisia? Egypt?

For me all of them, seeing as there was no western conspiracy whatsoever involved, nor one from Israel.

In fact these recent developments hurt Israel's stance, since their claims to a higher moral ground is based on their limited democracy.

Thereby the best thing israel could have done is support these dictators much as it has always done, but this time it was not able to.

 

I just wrote you a long reply and then stupidly went for a bookmark from this page and lost it and I do not have the time to do all that again.

Creation you seem to be arguing against some sort of conspiracy theory you see and in that argument you are missing what is happening.

The guardian article said the opposite of what you say. It said that the Al Qaeda people are taking over - all be it bringing their tanks from Benghazi, a place where they were quick to raise the Al Qaeda flag. Before they arrived the freedom fighters were not doing well so it says but they got them together with religion and discipline. Now that is what you need to understand. Al Qaeda is chucked out of any country not in war. No one wants their way of living but when there is divisiveness, then they come in. These remember are people originally taught by the US. They vary in their way of fighting from the other freedom fighters in that they just shoot or torture and kill those they do not like and they do it in the name of religion If you expect Syria to be free of it's present government and not have an unmanageable al qaeda section then you are deluding yourself. I have already heard talk of the likelihood of Taliban style governments. Would the US care about this. Very likely not. The people who would care are the ordinary men and even more women of those countries.

Last night a reporter was saying 'ask a syrian which side they support and they will just say whoever can produce their next meal'

Libya was regime change. The only civilians protected on the ground was the anti gadaffi ones and even then mistakes were sometimes made. The number of people killed was grossly exaggerated and it is now looking like, even from Libya's own statistics that more Gadaffi sided people were killed by the clans, al qaeda, Qatar and the French, British and Americans than were killed by Gadaffi supporters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/libyan-revolution-casualties-lower-expected-government

Britain has admitted having people on the ground so I think you need to accept that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19639083

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/LOC-AQ-Libya.pdf

The reprisals and rape is Libya was most certainly not hearsay. As I said HRW reported both that Gaddafi troops were not doing it and that the Rebels were and as for vengeance, Creation you really need to start doing some study of this because you are really letting yourself down. Vengeance, imprisonment for no reason and torture continue unabated. Many places there is no law and in many places it is extreme salafists/al qaeda who are in charge.

 

I have seen Creation around forums for a few years now and although I don't agree with him on this issue, I have never found him to be anything but pro Palestinian.

 

That 's only half the required qualification. The other half is to adhere to truth;

Quite clearly, that ain't it.

 

Egypt?

Really?

 

It's strange.
It seems like arabs are "sitting on the fence" and wishing both sides in Syria - Good luck and carry on

 

Here, Moon, watch these brave 'rebels' at work, as they 'free Syria'.

Vid is in link.

Syria militants behead, shoot civilians, video shows

Recently-released footage shows a group of foreign-sponsored militants in Syria killing civilians, execution-style.


The footage shows members of the terrorist Free Syrian Army beheading a captured Syrian man.

In another scene gunfire is heard blasting for some seconds as a militant shoots a man in the head. The victim’s hands are tied behind him, and he is face-down on the ground.

In recent months, many videos have emerged of militant groups committing crimes against humanity in Syria.

Despite widespread international condemnation, the terrorist Free Syrian Army continues to kill captives and kidnap civilians.

Last November, a video showed the militants beating around 10 Syrian soldiers before forcing them to lie on the ground and executing them with automatic rifles near the northwestern town of Saraqeb.

Syria has been experiencing unrest for almost two years.

The Syrian government says that the turmoil, which has killed many people, including large numbers of army and security personnel, is being orchestrated from outside the country.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/11/292972/syria-militants-behead-shoot-civilians/

 

I don't doubt for one moment that the anti-government militias are US of AIPAC/Zionist backed. I can only hope that they are defeated and that the Syrian refugees can return home.

 

One child was killed and nine others were injured, some in critical situation, in Syria Sunday when US supported & directed Talmu-"Islamic" terrorists targeted a kindergarten bus near Dahiat Al-Assad Roundabout in Harasta, Damascus Countryside.
http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=1&cid=23&frid=23&eid=85349
The United Terrorist States of America has routinely attacked children for over 150 years all over the world. Yet war crazies in America continue to pretend that this is not so.
Since the US deliberately starved to death at least 500,000 children to death in Iraq that is considered officially by the USA as "Worth the Price", then why can we not suspect that the USA also attacked those children in Conneticut to pressure Americans into being dis-armed before the USA begins to use its billion rounds of 40 cal. dumdum ammo on a disarmed American population?
The Christian in picture below is describing how US Talmu-officialdom views the Amerian Man, and individual:

 

would I be right in thinking there was no opposition candidate?

 

Thats not what the article said, it did not say they were taking over.

Yes indeed, regime change. and indeed slightly more pro Ghaddfy dead. As one would expect the losing side to suffer a higher mortality rate.

Do you mean the African women? And what exactly is it you want? Libya is a society that is post civil war. What is your problem? Libyans are going to have a real vote and a real government for a change rather than a one party state led by one man and subject to one mans whims.

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Yeah youd be right, still think he was elected?

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LOL, do tell us, what exactly is that made him elected?

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LOL, do tell us, what exactly is that makes him elected?

 

Yeah really. No western involvement whatsoever.

 

In what way do you consider Egypt a positive example of anything?

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Your naivety is touching.

I guess you cheered the mass murder in Iraq on, as well.

 

Democracy. Positive change. A challenge to corrupt dictators.



Cheering on mass murder? Do you really think continued dictatorship and oppression is preferable to civil war and why do you make these presumptive and rude statements?

 

You appear to have spent the entire time on this thead in support of the murdering and lying cabal.

You are out of touch.

 

well at least Saudis are not spending all their oil cash on weapons for the jihadists

1.5 million SR for a pair of shoes

 

Egyptian ‘missionary’ tortured to death in Libya – human rights lawyer

Well done NATO and the throat cutting 'rebels'.

I cannot wait until Syria is also 'free'.

Just look how welll it goes.

Hurrah.

And hurrah for NATO, Saudi throat cutters, and the freedom fighters of the US and London Gov's.

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An Egyptian Christian suspected of trying to convert Muslims in Libya was tortured to death while in police custody, an Egyptian human rights lawyer said.

Ezzat Hakim Attallah "died after being tortured with other detainees" in Libya’s second largest city Benghazi, Naguib Guebrayel, a Coptic Christian lawyer who heads the Egyptian Union for Human Rights, told AFP.

Guebrayel’s claim contradicts an Egyptian Foreign Ministry official who said on Sunday that Attallah, who suffered from diabetes and heart ailments, had likely died of natural causes.

Attallah was among five Evangelical Christian Egyptians detained in Libya for allegedly attempting to seek religious converts in the predominantly Muslim nation.

His death follows the March 1 detention of four dozen Egyptian Christians in the city.

"Forty-eight Egyptian traders who worked in the Benghazi municipal market have been arrested based on reports of suspect activities," a Libyan security official told the agency in Benghazi on condition of anonymity.

The source said the Copts were primarily arrested for entering Libya illegally, they also had large quantities of religious texts and paraphernalia which were not for “personal use.”

The men were reportedly rounded up by a group claiming allegiance to be Ansar Sharia, the notorious Islamist militia implicated in the death of American Ambassador Chris Stevens last September, the UK Telegraph reports.

They were later handed over to a government-backed group in what the daily reports is a “wider purge of hundreds of Egyptians” in the restive city.

Ragaa Nagah, the wife of one of the detainees, told the paper her husband “was afraid to tell us how he was tortured, but he couldn't see out of one of his eyes.”

“They were standing over him and beating him while they asking him to confess and when they were about to give him an electric shock he said, 'Don't do that and I will say anything you want me to say."

Four other foreigners - an Egyptian, a South African, a South Korean and a Swede with a US passport - were also arrested in Benghazi in mid-February on suspicion of proselytizing.

Proselytizing – which was banned under the secular regime of Muammar Gaddafi – remains illegal in post-revolutionary Libya.

Guebrayel says that Egypt’s Islamist government had done little to aid Egyptians arrested in Libya.

However, Egypt’s Foreign Ministry intervened to secure the release of 55 Egyptians who were also arrested on suspicion of trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. Thirty five of them were deported for illegally entering the country, while 20 more were allowed to stay in Libya.

Church officials say pre-revolutionary Libya had up to 100,000 Christians, though their numbers have dwindled to a few thousand since.

Since the 2011 revolution that resulted in Gadhafi’s ouster and subsequent death, the fear of Islamic extremism has rattled the country’s small Christian minority, most of whom are expatriates.

http://rt.com/news/egyptian-dies-libya-torture-113/

 

If I were Syrian, I could barely wait until these good people of the FSA can liberate my country and give us free and fair elections.



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After five months of captivity in fear of execution, Ukrainian journalist Anhar Kochneva has safely escaped from Syrian rebels, Kochneva’s ex-husband told RT.

Relatives and friends of the journalist said Kochneva managed to escape the building she was kept in, and hid from the pursuers in the mountains. She then had to walk about 15km before reaching Syrian army forces, and is now travelling to Damascus in safety.

Kochneva ironically wrote she’s “back from the Wonderland” in a short LiveJournal post, promising some further details later.

She also confirmed the details of her escape in two brief media interviews, saying the captors mistreated her, and she decided to run away for the fear that they would kill her and blame government forces for another death. Kochneva said she had to live in a cold room with a broken window, leaving her health in a terrible state.

Despite this, the journalist vowed to remain in Syria and continue to highlight the ongoing conflict.

“The world is just blind… I will definitely do everything for the people to discover, what is really going on here,” Kochneva told Business FM, saying Syria is “a friend in need”.

Anhar Kochneva, who had reported critically about the Syrian rebels for Russian and Ukrainian news outlets, was captured in the beginning of October 2012 near the city of Homs. The city, seen as the cradle of the Syrian revolution, has recently been going through frequent fighting outbursts, which Kochneva was following at the time of her capture.

The kidnappers, members of the Free Syrian Army, had repeatedly threatened to kill the journalist in December, if a US$50 million ransom was not paid. They later lowered the sum to reportedly $300,000, and announced they had “spared” Kochneva for the time being.

Kochneva’s relatives said they had been unaware of her fate since New Year, and accused the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry of being “inactive” and “ignoring the negotiation process.”

Syrian rebels, who had been in contact with the journalist’s former husband, also claimed that Ukrainian authorities were doing nothing. The rebels uploaded several videos of Kochneva last year, in which she admitted to having participated in the fighting, and of working as a military interpreter with Syrian and Russian officers.

International groups like the Committee to Protect Journalists, ARTICLE 19, the International Press Institute and Reporters Without Borders have questioned the objectivity of these videos, saying the journalist appeared to be speaking under pressure.

The groups urged the Free Syrian Army and the Syrian Opposition Coalition to ensure that the journalist is safe and set free, and called for world governments to assist in her release.

The Foreign Ministry of Ukraine has said that it was taking all necessary measures to free the journalist and urged Damascus for “concrete results” in attempts to release her.

The ministry has confirmed on Monday that Kochneva is free, without elaborating on the circumstances of her escape.


http://rt.com/news/kochneva-escapes-syrian-rebels-096/

 

Still in denial ? Read it again;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2007

Then expand your Westernised viewpoint a tad;

Was Assad chosen ? Yes , he was. Was he chosen by vote ? Yes, he was. Did that vote meet the requirements of the People's Council of Syria ? Yes, it did. Was that endorsement then approved by over 50% in a general referendum ? Yes , it was . Did his selection meet with all the requirements of the Syrian Constitution ? Yes, it did. Was Assad therefore elected ? Yes, he was. Does Syria run its presidential processes according to the wishes of ' Creation ' and the , so-called , democratic ' principles ' of the West ? Don't be so dumb. No Zionist billionaires bought any canditures in Syria.

Tell the forum again that Assad was not elected, please. Your Sailor's Hornpipe brightens a dull day.