Ukraine pulls US-provided Abrams tanks from the front lines over Russian drone threats

Actually it was 5 or 6 in a couple of weeks.....but don't let that discourage you. ukie put them close to actual combat, got a half dozen smoked, then their handlers told them to pull back to a safe space. Enjoy.

 

Wow...5 or 6 tanks that were mothballed and pulled from some warehouse?....that's impressive "Bill"....

OTOH....if the UAF/West were to showcase captured and destroyed RuZzian junk....you could easily fill Rhode Island in every direction....

 

Warfare Innovations: Russia's Turtle Tanks || Peter Zeihan

 

I like Pete but sometimes he makes juuuust a bit too much of nothing....like these Turtle tanks....I'm probably wrong but I seriously doubt they're going to be the stuff of nightmares for anyone....if you can see it you can destroyed it! The simple but significant take away on the battlefield at the moment is easy....camouflage deceive maneuver....not cover something in metal or wood and send it lumbering forth....

 

Erm, did you watch it? I'm sure he would agree with what you're saying.

 

yeah..... I did but was maybe being a bit flipant....I can see what he means in terms of just this war....and the limitations which confine the capabilities of Ukraine and Russia specifically....however, he seemed to be liken this event as a precursor to a military version of the Cambrian explosion. I departed from his thought process when he goes into his conclusions...."so regardless of what you think of the Ukraine war, studying how both sides are adapting to this reality is going to educate us all on the nature of military conflict moving forward....so this is a big deal.....they're basically inventing a new style of warfare".....errmm....well....I simply don't agree.....this is just two basically backward armies trading blows like bare knuckled back street fighters. It's just a brawl but nevertheless I'm sure the fighting is being studied, analysed and gamed but nobody is inventing a new style of warfare....



.....they've made films of this style of warfare.....

 

The use of drones in this war is pretty new and the turtle tank (blyatmobile) just represents one way that one side is trying to adapt to it. But as Peter points out, it's also possible due in part to Ukraine's recent lack of artillery, since that would have no trouble penetrating such shells.

It is interesting to me that the Zerg adapted in this way, making something of a Mad Max contraption to take advantage of that situation. I don't know if it's made much of a difference for them in the grand scheme, but it is an interesting little example of battlefield adaptation, as have been the drones themselves on both sides, and as have been Russian gliding bombs. They demonstrate a lot of determination to overcome Ukraine's defenses and eke out battlefield gains. Their determination and lack of regard for significant losses is well illustrated by the Enemy at the Gates clip, and you may recall that I and others were posting it for laughs not long after this invasion was launched. How tragic that the Z tactics and attitudes have not changed very much since. Hopefully such things as F-16s arriving, the UK giving Ukraine the green light to use their weapons to strike targets in mafialand, and long-range ATACMS now being in use will perhaps make them more amenable to rethinking this misadventure, perhaps even to a badly needed change of leadership.

 

....funny though....based on the amount of money pumped into Russian MOD over the last 20 years....within 2 years they've effectively lost their military capability.....it's gone. They have lost an entire layer of their officer corps....they've sucked dry their; well, I was going to say reserves but that's being kind - they've sucked dry whatever decrepit bits of kit their local militia commanders haven't managed to sell on the black market....and they are piling tree trunks on tanks or welding chunks of metal to tank chassis...I mean yes they're adapting but in order to do what? The sheer level of carnage within Russian MOD must be staggering if this is where it's leading them!!?? As I said Pete's usually pretty good with his views but I think if you look at what is driving this level of "adaptation" after such a short period of conflict....I don't think the US is going to be too concerned about meeting a clapped out T-72 with so much sheet metal welded to it that it can hardly move and with a fuel consumption which is probably measured in meters per gallon.

 

personally....I'm of the though that Putin and Shoigu and all the current crew are welcome to stay.....why get rid of an inept enemy???

 

It's interesting (although I back Ukraine to the hilt), the tank has been the king of the battlefield since 1917, could we now be looking at the drone replacing it?

 

In hopes of getting non-enemies in charge, of course. Better they do it than we have to go in there and do it.

 

Good question. I think it depends on the evolution of drones vs antidrone technologies. ATGMs and the like already made life tougher for tanks, though, and they're still around and doing their job.

 

"Better they do it"?

Yes....some individuals from the inner circle would probably need to do it.....it'll boil down to a case of when their personal fortunes and livelihood is threatened....how far does "loyalty" go?


The average Orc can't and won't....they're to zombified to make any moves...and seem content in their own squalor....and quite happy with the "ethnic minorities" doing the dying instead of them.

"We having to go in there and do it".... I see the point....this could/will get messy....just saying.

 

With modern tanks its all about how they are handled in combat.

 

Yeah, very messy. Possibly WWII levels of messy.

I don't know about the average Russian. I think most would just be happy to see peace and prosperity, same as most people anywhere you go, and would not be too sad to see the Neo KGB gone. The problem is that the Neo KGB is highly effective at finding and decapitating any opposition in mafialand, so it would take quite a breakdown domestically for things to reach a point where resistance overcomes the Neo KGB or it -- the police state -- breaks down internally and can no longer maintain its control over the population and continue to suppress opposition and resistance. This would be similar to how past revolutions have played out. It took years of abuse for the Ukrainians to reach a breaking point and oust Viktor Yanukovych, just as it took years for the Romanians to oust Nicolae Ceauşescu, and so on. But every situation is different too. How the Z system breaks down is bound to be unique, if indeed it ever happens at all. But the longer this war goes on, the more likely it becomes, especially as economic conditions worsen and more young men are sent to fight and likely die or get seriously wounded in a war of aggression.

Then again, the fascist regime in Germany held up through several years of full scale war and was only brought to an end by the allied forces invading Germany and pushing all the way to Berlin, and the fascist regime in Russia may be just as resilient. It's really hard to predict how it will play out.

 

Close to 80 % of RuZzkis zombiks support this aggression against not only Ukraine...but Baltics and Poland ...and anyone else who disagrees with this "vision"?

True...many vatniks probably want peace....since that same "many" understand the long term consequences here.

Yep...the "KGB" eliminate basically everyone who has "ideas"?

It's possible....a few more million dead orcs ....and same number fleeing might change things.

Yanuk was a KGB experiment gone wrong....not just Ukrainians couldn't stand him....probably numerous Kremlin thugs could either....he was a tool.

I think Pootler will soak Mafiosi in blood before he gets remotely removed. It's the inside Mafia that's the catalyst in this....does he get the Ceaucescu treatment?....we can wish.

 

They're trapped in KGB Oceania. 80% either don't know what's really going on or wouldn't express a negative opinion even if asked since they also live in fear, especially when it's a matter of public record.

 

I watched several of Danil Orains 1420 YT vids where he asked regular Russians about their opinions on the war.....many of them had that "deer caught in the headlights" look on their faces....quickly said "no comment" and hurried off. Just shows their fear of receiving a knock on their door later.

There is the few who gave their opinions....some disagreed with what's happening.....while more extreme cases figured it should be hellfire and brimstone.

Many get a sanitized vision since all they listen to is RuTV 99% of the time and have no clue....that is unless there are those with VPN and haven't been caught by the FSB...just saying.

 

Right, and so they fool enough of the people enough of the time and suppress the rest.

 

ukrops not so smart.....boom! another one bites the dust.....abrams bar-be-que video

https://www.rt.com/russia/597177-abrams-drone-video-donbass/

 

Drones turn the tide: A single grenade destroys a Russian tank in Ukraine
Story by MT

A video has surfaced online showing an attack on a T-72B3 tank, which is being used by one of the Russian units in Ukraine. Surprisingly, a grenade dropped from a drone was all it took to destroy the valuable piece of machinery, a testament to the capabilities we are reminded of.

Both sides are employing first-person view (FPV) drones in the conflict. While these drones may not match the destructive power of classic anti-tank missiles, their use in deploying unmanned aerial vehicles to destroy enemy armored vehicles is becoming increasingly common. They carry explosive charges, grenades, or bombs, which are dropped from above onto their targets.

In a striking instance, we observed a Ukrainian drone utilizing an American M67 grenade skillfully dropped into the open hatch of a Russian tank. From the perspective of the attacking forces, this method presents an optimal outcome, maximizing the chances of disabling the enemy armored vehicle.

The M67 grenade, designed as an improvement over the M33 grenades, has been in production since 1975. Its weight of about 14 ounces allows for easy transport by small drones, which typically have a payload capacity of several pounds. Each M67 grenade contains around 6.3 ounces of explosive material.

... https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/worl...estroys-a-russian-tank-in-ukraine/ar-BB1lUVOU

 

why are you celebrating the destruction of an American built tank? Aren't you from America?

 

I suspect "Bill" isn't from the US.....you don't see Americans celebrating destructions of US built equipment....and too many Pro-Z posts from that account.

 

I'm celebrating the nazis operating said tank getting their asses lit up. It doesn't matter the equipment, it matters who is operating it. So Dayton, why do you support genocide? Why do you support Neo nazis? Why don't you support peace? Aren't you from America? I'm from Texas and I have boots in case there is a need for anal implantation of said boots for those who have a problem with it.