UN condemns Christmas Eve demolitions of Palestinian homes by Israel

you think Jews don't belong in Palestine, cause they arent native.

well, you are not native to the USA as you are an Indian.

shall I help you pack your bags?

 

fail again - the US is a country of immigrants which isn't based on a racial identity.
the Jews from Europe, North Africa, and Central Asia claim that they trace their racial roots back to the ancient Israelities. This is where I call BS because there is NO evidence of a Jewish Diaspora out of Israel into regions this far.

These people are Jews by FAITH and not race. To come into Israel under the lie that you are somehow the genetic inheritors of the land is invalid. Faith cannot be passed down through genes. I'll give you an example - take this stunning Morrocoan beauty



she is a Moroccon Jew but claims a right of return to Israel - that is not logical. Her ancestors were North African Jews, not Middle Eastern Jews. What right does she have to claim Israel as her homeland simply because she is of the same faith as the Israelities ?

 

North Africa is part of the Middle East.

are you saying Egypt, Libya, and Algeria aren't in the Middle East?

lolol!!!!!

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wrong.

the Diaspora extends through all of North Africa and Europe.

 

when I say Middle East, I am being too broad - I am saying that the region in the general vacinity in and around Israel is where the Jews either stayed or moved to during their diaspora - at least on any signficant level.

there is no historical data showing a large migration of Jews into North Africa or Europe or Russia anytime before 500 AD.

And the Jews that do show up at that time are there through conversion, not through migration.

 

WRONG

at one point 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish.

Jews lived in Italy, Greece, Egypt, Turkey, before Jesus.

 

please do me a favor - just check out the book, or at least look up it up on web - a book called The Invention of the Jewish People by Israeli professor Shlomo Sand who is a professor of history at Tel Aviv University.

the book details what I have always suspected - that the Diaspora is a big fat lie invented by Zionists to justify the creation of Israel. The book clearly shows how the Palestinians are most likely the true descendents of the ancient Israelities who never left Israel but remained and converted to Islam. The history and genetics all point to the Palestinians as the true genetic relatives of the Israelities.

BTW, I'm an Atheist of Hindu-Indian heritage so I have no actual dog in this fight except in fighting for what's right, moral, and logical.

From his book .....
"“I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land – a constitutive event in Jewish history, almost like the Holocaust. But to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to. They did not have trains and trucks to deport entire populations. That kind of logistics did not exist until the 20th century. From this, in effect, the whole book of shlomo sand was born: in the realization that Judaic society was not dispersed and was not exiled.”"

 

lol!!!

I don't read dishonest propaganda.

 

if it's dishonest propaganda, you should have no fear or concern of reading it and proving it wrong.

here's the thing - i too once thought like you about the Jews - that they were this ancient people kicked out by the Romans and traveling all across the globe only to have their dream realized when Israel was formed and "coming back home."

but the racial, historical, and genetic evidence does not show a diaspora out of Israel - it shows the Israelities staying put (as they had ever right to) in Israel but losing power - first to the Romans, then to the Arabs.

Most of the Israelities culturally evolved into those who controlling them - most converted to Islam - and today, the Palestinians - 5 million strong, whose ancestors are the Israelities - are considered foreigners in their own land.

 

there is no evidence that the Palestinians are descended from Jews.

 

you sound like a man who has never bothered researching the side he disagrees with.

there has been plenty of evidence and genetic testing which ties the Palestinians to the ancient Jews.
in fact the evidence of Jewish blood is highest in those nations in and just outside of Israel - but the further away from Israel you go, the less and less you find genetic ties to the Levant.

that's my whole point - that the Palestinians are basically the truest living descendants of the ancient Israelities.
the Israelities were never booted out in mass by the Romans - there is NO evidence of that.
the ancient Israelities stayed put - but over time they got taken over by many people - the Romans, Turks, Arabs, Persians, Greeks, Mongols - but all the while, they were there - they never left. They changed religions from Judaism to Islam, but they are still there.

 

how does one compare Palestinian genes to ancient Jewish genes?

 

ok, now we're getting somewhere.
the marker, especially in Palestinian males has shown no indication of an outside gene marker coming in, but it does on rare occassions show that some Palestinians are a small percentage of southern Arab and even Italian blood. but the majority of Palestinians are just local people who have always been there.

now, when it comes to Jews, the did similar studies - they found that with Azkanazi Jews, there was never a majority tie to any Middle Eastern population. the only ties that came back are found in 100% OF ANY WHITE EUROPEAN MALE because of the natural northern drift that happened tens of thousands of years ago when we first left Africa.

it is this tie, which is found in all white men, that European Jews are claiming ties them to the Isratlities. but unfortunately, it's not enough.
hell, even Moroccan Jews have shown little to no blood ties to the region in and around Israel. they are basically North Africans by blood of the Jewish faith.

there is a lot of evidence to show mass conversion to Judasim in North Africa around the year 500 AD - and there was a big boom of conversion in the Khazar region of Eastern Russia in the year 700AD. THese Khazar people converted to Judasim and then made their way into Europe - and the genetic ties do show that 20% of European Jews can trace back to the Khazar Jews.

it's all there, man - it's all there. you just gotta sift through the propaganda and lies and see the truth

 

false!!!!!

the most recent and thorough genetic study on Ashkenazi Jews that while the majority of the mitochondrial DNA is European, the majority of their male DNA is Middle Eastern.

 

i apologize profusely because i can't remember the name of the study, but there was a big one done in 2002 which showed that nearly every white European male has DNA that can be traced to the Middle East - but this is by proxy only because it was realized that because man left Africa and made his way northward, there was going to be genetic markers taking all European males back to the Middle East.

but that genetic tie is going back much before the Israelities - it is going back to very nomadic early days of man. But when it comes to direct ties to Levant, there is very little, if any, genetic evidence tying Ashenazi and North African Jews to Levant.

 

that's great.

I have a study done much more recently that proves your theory is crap.

 

by all means - post a link
but you still need to explain why there is no evidence of a Jewish diaspora into North Africa and Europe before the year 500 AD though

 

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

 

That was a most interesting and enlightening conversation...thanks to Channe's profound knowledge. I hope it will continue.

 

I agree. Being Jewish is an ethnic and religious thing, not DNA related.

 

And yet the IDF has deliberately targeted women and children. Your precious 'settlers' routinely attack old men and women. None of these are military targets.
Want some videos? Probably not...

The grubby little pariah state, Israel, has earned itself the contempt of the world. Congratulations losers.

 

Where and when has the IDF under orders done this?

And sometimes your worthless smelly bum buddies accidentally kill a soldier while actually targeting civilians.

And the hateful loser state of Palestine rather than give up their mission to kill all Israelis has earned itself to forever smell their own feces. Congratulations winners.

 

Its trickey because the definitions are all wrong, "peace", "right to exist" are not really achivable, its known yet continues to be a demand, peace should not be targeted at all, when Israelis are being sold that crap they know its BS, yet most (more then 60% accridring to a survey) do want a seperate Palestinian state,

That leads me to question the US and European proposals for "peace", the fued will not end and so Israel should agree to what will not endanger it and the Palestinians wont agree on anything anyway. hopfully we will see an end to oppersive check points and Israel will learn to live with some European + Arab boycotts as status que. perhaps the Palestinian will establish a state of their own in the meantime.

 

i appreciate the kind words

 

with peace comes stability, with stability comes a potentially viable Palestinian state - with a Palestinian state comes order, then comes growth, then comes the reduced threat of aggression, then comes the world looking at Israel as a safer nation, then comes the decreased funding from the US, then comes Israel no longer being able to be the welfare queen nation that it is.

OVER HALF OF ISRAELI-JEWISH MEN DON'T WORK FULL TIME - they live off of our tax money !

 

got any evidence for that?