Unfortunately we will Strike Syria.

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  1. Thehumankind

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    Meaning to say,
    there as a collaboration between the US and Saddam,Assad et al
    to do mass killing to give the US an strategic edge.
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    Alek...you can choose to believe what you want.

    It is not important to me whether you or anyone else believes a single word I post.

    But it does seem interesting how I seem to be able to post about things that have yet to happen....and then they do happen.

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    Moving the goal posts eh? Whatever.
     
  5. AboveAlpha

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    These are things I am aware of...but if you were to Google them you could easily find the information I have posted here as our carriers are where I have stated they are and there are several New Specials devoted to breaking down exactly what we are seeing in Assads invited Media during the killing and arrests of Sunni Extremists shortly after they obtained Non-Weaponized Chemical Agents.

    As far as the special U.S. Weapons that can vaporize Chemical Weapons either in Munitions or in tanks....it is a combination of a Fuel Air Device along with Napalm and Magnesium.

    Damn thing goes off like a small NUKE.

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  6. AboveAlpha

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    I sat in the heat in a C-5B all morning and early afternoon long only to be told it would be a no go.

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    WASHINGTON | Sun Sep 1, 2013 6:49pm EDT

    (Reuters) - The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and other ships in its strike group are heading west toward the Red Sea to help support a limited U.S. strike on Syria, if needed, defense officials said on Sunday.

    The Nimitz carrier strike group, which includes four destroyers and a cruiser, has no specific orders to move to the eastern Mediterranean at this point, but is moving west in the Arabian Sea so it can do so if asked. It was not immediately clear when the ships would enter the Red Sea, but they had not arrived by Sunday evening, said one official.

    "It's about leveraging the assets to have them in place should the capabilities of the carrier strike group and the presence be needed," said the official.

    President Barack Obama on Saturday delayed imminent cruise missile strikes by five destroyers off the coast of Syria, and sought approval from Congress, a move that effectively put any strike on hold for at least nine days.

    The delay gives military planners more time to reassess which ships and other weapons will be kept in the region - and which may be swapped out - before the U.S. military launches what defense officials say is still intended to be a limited and narrowly targeted attack on Syria.

    The U.S. Navy doubled its presence in the eastern Mediterranean over the past week, effectively adding two destroyers to the three that generally patrol the region. The five destroyers are carrying a combined load of about 200 Tomahawk missiles, officials say.

    The Nimitz carrier group had been in the Indian Ocean, supporting U.S. operations in Afghanistan, but was due to sail east around Asia to return to its home port in Everett, Washington, after being relieved in recent days by another aircraft carrier, the USS Harry S. Truman.

    Given the situation in Syria, U.S. military officials decided to reroute the Nimitz and send it west toward the Red Sea, and possibly the Mediterranean, officials said.

    continued........

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-syria-crisis-carrier-idUSBRE9800IT20130901
     
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    Trusting my own instincts and intuition, this Alpha person is one helluva psychic.
     
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    Sorry if that was in the op and I missed it. Usually when I hear that phrase its some silly journalist claiming the government is trying to silence him.
     
  10. AboveAlpha

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    I really try not to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)....especially in the presence of my Team....but I have to admit....the older I get the more surly and cranky!!! LOL!

    Since I cannot be ordered to either do or take a JOB....when I do decide to take one....I guess those who were anxious to convince me to go make sure my Team and I are in the air as fast as possible as they figure if I am on my way I can't change my mind....which almost never happens but if fact it has 6 times over 3 decades and the looks on the faces of the people escorting us to our Staging Area when I called it off was akin to saying..."But..B..b..bbbut.....You can't say no KNOW!".....OH yes I can and did! LOL!!!

    So when my Team and I found ourselves in the unusual position of WAITING....which NEVER happens....it was a surprise....and a Pain in the Ass....as it was Hot and Humid and anyone who has ever had to wait in the belly of a C-5B on 140 Degree F. Tarmac going NOWHERE.....they know what I mean.

    If the JOB had not had so many possible implications I would have just got out of the aircraft and walked home.

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    good instincts!
     
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    no were not, the US wants to dominate the market and world.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    We already dominate the market and the world.

    What we are trying to do now is prevent other not so altruistic nations from doing the same.

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    I will ask you a question and I would appreciate an HONEST answer.

    Would you prefer Russia or China or any other nation besides the United States to be in the position that we hold right now?

    I sure as Hell wouldn't want this....and there are Billions more people around the globe that would get scared at even the thought of Russia or China being the lone Superpower.

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  16. unskewedewd

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    I think that ANY nation in the US' current position would tend to over-reach if not become outright tyrannical when there's a lack of competition for global dominance. That unavoidable tendency is the same reason why there are anti-trust laws in the US banning monopolies (regardless of how selectively they're actually enforced.) Would I prefer Russia or China have that position? No, but then again, I live in the US. If they were in that position, I imagine I'd feel similarly to the way that most of the rest of the world feels about us - suspicious and desperate for an entity to come along that had a legitimate chance to check that ability to become tyrannical. It's less about who the sole superpower should be and more about if there should be one at all.

    As long as we go about instigating wars, civil wars & coups; assassinating leaders; :)wink: @AA) rigging elections; using the World Bank and IMF to hold economies hostage to get votes in the UN and/or sell out their resources to our corporations; spying on EVERYONE; rigging commodities markets, initiating world-wide bullsh*t propaganda campaigns; and propping up governments like Yemen, Pakistan, Israel, Columbia, Egypt, etc., until they expand to the point where they can no longer continue without our aid and become helpless dependents, all under the guise of "perform[ing] the constabulary duties associated with shaping the security environment in critical regions," I'm with the rest of the world in their skepticism of the US' "inherent altruism."

    I understand that if we don't keep our game pieces on the board, encroachment by other nations toward our interests is inevitable. So, fine... for the moment we should leave them where the are... NOT move them in an aggressive manner, and get our own crumbling house in order like the Chinese are doing... They are motivated by becoming a fully developed, secure first-world nation by 2049. We have the benefit of naval superiority and an isolated continent to protect us from direct encroachment on our borders, so we can do a little internal tidying without it having to take until 2049. It's about time we focused inward, healed our politics, society, infrastructure, and economy, and brought ourselves to the point where the American Dream is once again no longer a dream. Once we attain that level of internal security (and I'm not talking about the DHS or DOJ here,) we can actually claim to have a viable set of morals worth imposing globally, if that's what we decide we should do at that time.

    Empires fall. They always have. It happens for foreseeable reasons, but the leaders of empires are usually too caught up with metastasizing their nation's sphere of influence to see the foundations crumbling. We're headed in that direction. Minimizing Russia and China isn't as imperative as strengthening ourselves at this point.
     
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    Great post, I agree with just about everything you said, and I appreciate the information about the Tartus "base" which I didn't really understand before, however, the base in Tartus IS significant in the fact that it can provide a safe-zone against US attacks and would not necessarily be searchable by UN weapons inspectors. Also, the second link goes nowhere now. Any chance you could summarize what it said or provide an alternate url for the info that was there?

    I agree that Iran is in the cross-hairs, but I see that farther in the future.

    Movement on Iran would probably be predicated on removal of the Russian-allied Ba'athist government in Syria so that work on the Qatar --> Europe natural gas pipeline can finish, (meaning Russia no longer holds an effective monopoly on European gas imports,) and so that naval assets that are currently in and around the Red Sea could be positioned around the Persian Gulf and (possibly) assets in the Mediterranean could be positioned in the Black Sea. I also believe the west will force Turkmenistan through some combination of commodity market manipulations and/or financial manipulations by interests allied with Deutsche Bank, (where it holds its currency reserves,) to take on loans from the IMF or World Bank. They could then be pressured to act in a way that supported Western strategic interests, much like Yemen. I think the groundwork was laid for that move in 2006 when the "President for Life" of the country died under mysterious circumstances and the new president opened up relations and shifted currency reserves to Europe. With a censored media on par with that of North Korea and an entrenched, generally isolationist attitude, things could change quickly there before the main importers of their natural resources (Iran, Russia, and China,) knew what was happening. At that point, the potential for a land-based blockade between Iran, Russia and China would be complete (since Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan are firmly in the EU/NATO camp.) With that potential blockade in place, Iran as we know it would vanish.

    At that point, I expect the west, using the excuse that "we no longer feel the need to support an anti-terrorism campaign in Pakistan," would pull the majority of its domestic and military aid. This would decimate Pakistan, throw it into Jihadi chaos, stifle its now explosive economy, and "force" US military intervention to "stabilize a nuclear state that could threaten our allies." This would, in turn, force combined strategic military activities between NATO and India, (the "I" in BRICS,) placing potential NATO allied military presence over a huge swath of China's border and further isolating China from the Mid-East and Africa, (including South Africa, the "S" in BRICS.) I believe this enough to eventually invest in put options against Pakistani industries after the military ball gets rolling in Iran.

    After taking out Syria's government. I'd expect the beginning of all this to coincide with the majority withdrawal of western military forces from Afghanistan so that they're free to mobilize nearby, and the signing of the Trans-Pacific Partnership to ensure allegiances with with first and second Pacific island-chain nations.

    This prognostication is speculative, of course, but it certainly is plausible, and without direct confrontation of China or Russia, it certainly could go that far without instigating WWIII, depending on how much nibbling at the edges they're willing to tolerate...
     
  18. AboveAlpha

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    The really wonderful thing about being a U.S. Citizen is you can post things like this one of your above as if you were a citizen of China or Russia their internet filters would not allow such a post as this to be shown if it was directed at their governments.

    The U.S. is far from perfect but it is a Hell of a lot better than any other country and if you had been to even 1/10th of the places I have been you would understand that.

    I notice that for all your bluster about how China is this or that...you are still living in the U.S.

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    Wow, Mr dewd, you've thought about this.
    The link worked for me, and my connection is running at about 5kps. I had to reload it twice. It has a map of Iranian naval assets in and around the Persian Gulf.
    Yer right about the Tartus connection. It's largely symbolic, but in the event of conflict, Russia has a place to set up their Naval camp. One of the newer Iranian ports; the one that most threatens the Straits of Hormuz, is also open to Russian involvement, as I understand, though I would imagine that Iran would welcome Russian help wherever they can get it.
    Just now, I see a Fox headline where Netanyahu is to warn Obama about the Iranian "Smiley" campaign.
    Reading through your account, wouldn't you think that all of the players would be well aware of the whole chain of events that you outlined, and work hard to redirect the progression? India has drifted far in the direction of Russia, where they now buy most if not all of their arms.
    Most of this stuff is out of my main focus (I'm American). The more I see of it though, the more I understand the connection between actions abroad and political conduct here.
    Now imagine if we were to crack two really big nuts:
    First would be widespread electricity generation by fusion.
    Second would be the development of a carrier beam for energy, which was one of Teslas' pet projects.
    That would put an end to our whole concern with the ME. Then the War Pigs would need a new excuse to go to exotic places, meet interesting people, and kill them.
     
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    I happen to know a few tings about Iran.

    Iran is a country where over 70% of the entire population is 30 years old or under. Because of this these young Iranians are very computer savvy...have found ways to use Smart Phones to pierce Iranian Internet Filters...and want nothing more than most young people that being to have a family, freedom, the right to vote and they desperately want better relations with the U.S. as this might lift sanctions.

    Before the latest Iranian President was voted it the Old Religious Guard along with that crazy little former Iranian President made sure to severely crack down on the Iranian uprising. And at this time the Old Guard made it known using their Military Leadership that they controlled that they intended to close the Strait of Hormuz if they felt the U.S. Military might enforce the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

    This threat of closing the Strait of Hormuz which is the Oil Lifeline for the world....was an INSANE THREAT that the Old Religious Guard forced their Naval Leadership to make public.

    When this happen WE KNEW that the Iranian Military Leadership was not only angry they were forced to make this threat but since THEY would be the ones doing the dying attempting to fight an impossible battle against the U.S. 5th Fleet and any other U.S. Military Forces brought to bear the DIA and CIA along with plans developed by the NSA and U.S. State Dept. were soon after contacted by U.S. Naval Intelligence and the CIA and in secret meetings unknown to the Old Guard and the Iranian Qud's Force and Republican Guard and were told that in the event the Iranian Navy ever attempted to close the Strait of Hormuz the U.S. Navy and Military would be forced to completely OBLITERATE the entire Iranian Navy Forces both above and under the water as well as the U.S. 5th Fleet and U.S. Air Force would have to destroy all Iranian Coastal Installations and then the real Military Strike would take place.....more to come.

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    The Iranian Navy Leadership was then told that the U.S. Ar Force would be tasked with protecting the Tens of Thousands of both U.S. Special Forces and Rangers and other Airborne and Air Cav. Forces that would fly in or drop in and secure all Iranian Nuclear Sites which we KNOW EXACTLY where they all are both secret and not as well as several underground sites still not disclosed.

    To protect out Forces tasked with securing these Iranian Nuclear Sites the U.S. Air Force would fly in B-2's, B-1B's and the largest numbers of B-52's....H Variants....seen in such numbers since Linebacker I and Linebacker II.

    The B-1B's and B-2's would be used for precision strikes specific to command and control and the B-52H's would be equipped with new and extremely powerful Next Generation Smart Cluster Bomb Weapons that are allowed under the Cluster Ban Treaty as these sub-munitions are rendered inert after a time if they don't explode.

    The difference between these new Cluster Munitions is that unlike those used in Desert Storm they are Smart and Guided to explode above targets and then after the first explosion they are guided towards any Tanks, Trucks Vehicles...etc....and then there are the Anti-Personal Versions.

    Using these in wings of B-52H's exceeding 70 to 85 Bombers within hours they would be able to destroy the entire Iranian Republican Guard which exists in multiple Divisions each division being anywhere from 80 to 120 Thousand Men and Tanks and other weapons systems.

    F/A-22 Raptors along with B-2's would drop Ultra-Secret Non-Nuclear EMP devices which two small EMP's are said to be able to fit into the internal bomb bays of an F/A-22.

    These would be used on Command and Control as well as on the Iranian Air Force.

    The Iranian Navy unfortunately would not survive and since these are the people we are talking to...the Iranian Naval Leadership....a deal is supposedly made that if the Old Religious Guard were to order them to close the Strait of Hormuz and since these Naval Leaders KNOW they would NOT SURVIVE....it is planned they would STAND DOWN and refuse orders to close the Strait.

    This refusal to follow orders along with the complete destruction of the Iranian Republican Guard which is the tool of the Old Religious Guard is thought to be enough to bring the Iranian Democracy Movements Leadership to take action.

    If the Democracy Movement has the backing of the Iranian Nay and other Non-Republican Guard Units....it will have the ability to take control of the Iranian Government and given over 70% of all Iranians are between 30 and 1 years old and 89% of ALL IRANIANS support the institution of a free and democratic Iranian Government....this would hopefully avoid a full scale war in Iran.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I was skeptical about AA at first, but the more he writes, the more he makes sense, and gains credibility.
    We've been talking about Naval power in this thread, mostly, but it's true that real military superiority is gained in the air. Still, we don't want to repeat the deal we made in Iraq. Recall how "the mother of all battles" played out, where the biggest logistic problem came in dealing with all of the fierce Republican Guards who surrendered. (Among those who survived).
    Back when that was happening, I had a friend who was a bit of an insider. He told me how we had developed the bunker busters that were used to destroy Saddams' underground assets. Pretty simple in design. These things were based on old naval gun barrels. 12", I think. (WWII heavy cruisers, like the Chicago used 12" guns) They were fitted with a tungsten steel penetrator and filled with RDX, then dropped from 60,000 feet. At the Nevada test site, the first 2 were detonated at a depth of 200 feet. Presto!
    There has been a whole lot of development since then, so there is nothing that could be buried in Iran that would be immune to annihilation.
    This is just one example of American military superiority that amounts to the fact that America is immune to any other country gaining military superiority over us. This arrives at a big "so what" though, because we remain vested in the development of human kind. This is exactly why the rest of the world shudders at the thought of Russia or China supplanting us as the sole superpower. As AA says, we're not perfect, but given the ways of the world, we're as close as anyone has come, so far.
     
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    Thank you JOE for the nice comment.

    I try very hard to only post things that I know have either happened or have been planned and might happen as I try to avoid discussing Fringe Plans as there are many of these that will never ever be implemented.

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    Even though I HATE the region....the fact that I and my Team or not there....nor is any other Team that I know of similar to mine and what mine does....really has me worried.

    For those of you who would not know...or for those of you who only have knowledge of what goes behind the scenes in such situations from watching MSNBC, FOX, CNN....and some other now OUT OF THE LOOP....well paid former Movers and Shakers of the U.S. Military such as a few certain Generals I see on TV all the time being paid very well to talk about things that at this point....6 months to a year after they have retired which for all intents and purposes MIGHT AS WELL BE 20 YEARS LATER....as Military Planning and Operational Protocols change faster than a High Priced Stripper on a Vegas Nightclub Stage.....but for those of you who really don't know.....

    .....in reality when it comes down to a possible Military Conflict involving U.S. Military Action against any Country whether we have diplomatic ties with them or not or have a system or network of using a third party to communicate our intentions.....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS....WE WILL NOT TALK TO A SPECIFIC REGIME!!!

    This has been what I sometimes do....and if I and my Team are sent....THIS IS A GOOD THING!!!! As MISTAKES AND WARS ARE STARTED OVER SUCH THINGS AS NOT KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER SIDE IS THINKING, SAYING OR ACTUALLY MEANING!!!

    The who thing sort of goes like this....Hey! You have Chocolate in my Peanut Butter!!!!

    The other side will yell....That's because you have Peanut Butter in my Chocolate!!! And that Peanut Butter was made by the ZIONISTS!!!

    Then we will yell back....But YOU signed the....CPT! Chocolate Non-Proliferation Treaty....which states and which you have pledged not to make or develop Peanut Butter Cups....and your blatant use of Chocolate has caused a CPI! Chocolate/Peanut Butter Incident!!!!

    They yell back....well....the ZIONISTS have and are allowed to have Peanut Butter Cups!!!

    We yell back....because they made their own Peanut Butter Cups and did not sign the CPT like you did because you did not have the ability to make Good Chocolate so you were allowed to BUY CHOCOLATE....and now you are screwing around trying to make Peanut Butter Cups!!!

    While all this is going on in another place a Dictator is selling outlawed by International Treaty Candy Apples with Razors in them!!!

    Then this Dictator say's....it is the Rebel Gummy Bears that are selling those Candy Apples and even though we admit we have a Huge Stockpile of Razor Candy Apples....if you attempt to attack us it will only cause more FAKE REBEL GUMMY BEARS to come into our Country...the same Fake Gummy Bears which are REALLY GUMMY WORMS....the same GUMMY WORMS that wiggled their way into your GINGERBREAD HOUSE!!!

    Things get progressively worse from there and at this point I and my Team are called in to deliver a specific and final message to this Dictator IN PERSON....just to make sure he does not MISUNDERSTAND what will happen if he does not stop using Razor Candy Apples as in PUBLIC AND ON CAMERA....he will deny using Razor Candy Apples to the whole world....but Face to Face with US....he knows he cannot B.S.....as he knows that WE KNOW...the Razor Candy Apples that have been used and are out there came from HIM!!!

    But if we are not there in person the entire Media Circus will go on and on and on....because all he sees and has talked to is TALKING COTTON CANDY HEADS....and what he really needs to see is a Barrett POINTED RIGHT BETWEEN HIS EYES!!!

    That usually has the desired effect as unless he sees this pointed between his eyes he will never believe that someone will actually point it there as his ego will not allow him to see the reality with any clarity.

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