Universal health-care is within reach (everywhere except the US)

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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    and you have no business berating/dismissing my opinion based on knowledge gained on my close personal relationships...my wife is the CFO of a medical research institute, my daughter coordinates clinical research into auto immune disease, sister-in-law is an obstetrics nurse for 30+yrs. my niece has a PHD in nursing and among my friends is a cardiologist, neurologist, pediatrician and two orthopedic surgeons...they all respect my opinion when we discuss medical issues...your dismissive attitude on a public forum to discuss anything deserves no respect...
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Their NHS is now overburdened. It's been that way for the last 25 years, but now ever the more so.
    The whole system became reliant on bringing in foreign doctors and nurses because it was cheaper. If they had to send all those foreign doctors away I doubt they'd be able to keep the system functioning. Many of you will of course vehemently disagree with me about this, but many of those foreign doctors are almost quacks – I question to some degree the actual quality some patients receive.
     
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  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends upon what you mean by rich. But a GP who makes (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) on average $208K a year is by no means poor. And with savings as well as good investments, s/he could become a Net Worth millionaire within a decade.

    Not bad, huh?

    Of course, some will say, "Yeah, but their schooling costs an arm-and-a-leg!" (Which is fitting for a Medical Doctor, isn't it! ;^)

    My point remains the same: There are two "National Services" that are fundamentally necessary to assure a country's physical and economic well-being: One is Medicine and the other is Public Education.

    For historical reasons, America seems to think that both should be driven by the private domain. There is no proven reason that such is the case - not even for secondary-schooling (which has no proven real advantage of private- over public-schooling). This historical fact amuses me not in the least: When one looks at the history of secondary-schooling in the US, the economic necessity for secondary-schooling was first recognized generally a benefit in the 19th century, and the fact that it became a state requirement in the 20th century took America close to 80-years.

    That historic fact does not amuse me because we, the sheeple, are in EXACTLY the same predicament today as our forebears were in the 19th-century at the advent of the Industrial Age.

    We are now well on a way into the Information Age, which has an obvious exigency. In it, one need smarts to earn a decent living! And given that our market-economy has slowly evolved from producing goods to a large-majority offering of services should be clearly evident to everybody - like it or not.

    Service industries are information-based, so to work in or with them requires a higher level of public-education than just a secondary-schooling*. Which seems to be a challenge in a nation wedded to the idea that a high-school degree is sufficient "preparation" for a career that will nourish/house and allow a family to live decently.

    I just wont anymore ...

    *A Tertiary Education covers a great variety of learned knowledge. Even the most rudimentary "careers" are covered. Like learning how to run a restaurant, or manage a huge crane, or plumbing or ... it's a long list. For some people, just a vocational degree will do them fine. And those "trades" should be easily accessed by individuals who have had a training in the subject-matter - free, gratis and for nothing at a state-funded school! Our Federal government should be prepared to spend most of its Discretionary Income on LEARNING and not gadgets for the DoD. (Which is presently the case!)
     
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  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Somewhat true, but the facts are bit more nuanced. Some people are more sick than others, and one reason is personal income decides what they eat. As a result, what you eat is as important as how much you eat (perhaps even more so).

    Yet, there is more than just one culprit. There are multiple reasons giving complexity to understanding the real-problem. (Americans eat more because of anxiety and they eat more bad-food.)

    For instance, here - The Atlantic, "What's Actually Wrong With the U.S. Health System"
    - excerpt:
    Or here - The NCBI, "Why do Americans have shorter life expectancy and worse health than people in other high-income countries?" - excerpt:
    Or here - from Psychology , How American Food Makes Us Fat and Sick - excerpt:
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    here we have a MD shortage and a myth of qualified foreign MDs who are driving taxi's because they can't get accreditation to practice or gain residency...my family members and MD friends who are part of the accreditation system tell me while it's true they can't get into the system it's for good reason, they're not qualified...they must meet the standards of our Uni med schools not of the countries they come from...even if they meet minimum medical standards that is not a guarantee of admittance, only a limited number of applicants can be accepted in any given year and only the best are selected...another cause for rejection is social attitude, some bring social behaviours from their cultures that are not acceptable in a western culture, a respect for women is a prime consideration...
     
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    You were insulting and combative, I disagreed amicably on some points.
    Please review them.

    And you have no idea of what I know and have studied to judge Me anymore than I would judge you of yours, which I have not in any way.
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    your extreme arrogance limits your ability to intellectual adult conversations...I no longer read your posts so stop responding to mine I have no interest in exchanging any thoughts with you...
     
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    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    You are the only one posting arrogant posts, and as long as I remain respectful, I can respond to any post I wish.
    Thank you kindly.
     
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  9. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would add to this post the fact that America's bent-for-obesity is the prime reason so many Americans are taken sick.

    We are literally eating-ourselves-to-death. Illnesses that obesity can cause:

      • Heart disease and stroke.
      • High blood pressure.
      • Diabetes.
      • Some cancers.
      • Gallbladder disease and gallstones.
      • Osteoarthritis.
      • Gout.
      • Breathing problems, such as sleep apnea (when a person stops breathing for short episodes during sleep) and asthma

    See here: Look How Quickly the U.S. Got Fat (1985-2010 Animated Map)
     
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