University ‘Men’s Project’ Seeks to Redefine What Masculinity Really Means

I don't think Aristotle would be particularly worried about it. He'd see that we have the internet, public libraries, and a lot of really smart people willing to help those who want to learn and be happy.

His theory of forms doesn't require that a place of learning be labeled "university". It can be labeled "commode" if that's where learning takes place. What he would see is that places that used to be relegated to the dissemination of facts has now changed, thanks no doubt to things like the internet and the F1 key, to places where people who can't cope with the real world congregate, and are being taken advantage of by those institutions that require taking out ball breaking loans to attend, which is nothing more than social evolution. Get the morons out of the way, and let normal people get on with their lives. Universities work admirably at that job of getting the morons completely out of the way, which essentially turns them into financial prison cells which creates a barrier between the morons and the rest of us.

Their safe spaces are just the culmination of this idea. They can't survive in the real world, so they take out loans they can't pay off, which is a form of suicide. That they are turning into androgynous nothings who do not reproduce thanks to what they are being taught (feminists and their male counterparts live in a childless environment).

So Aristotle would heartily approve of what is happening.

 

Sounds good to me!

 

Academic prejudices abound.

It's not my disposition to extol the merits of the social sciences, but that's my personal opinion - as it is my disinclination to place excessive emphasis on universities as vocational training centres.

 

I've always suspected "Social Studies" was invented to give professors the opportunity to indoctrinate students under the guise of education.

 

If anyone cared, they'd teach kids money. All through K-12. It is the number one problem with social mobility. Money is taught at the kitchen table. I think we'd really open the economy up 20 years after implementing. The basics, onto saving for retirement and taxes on their way off to college. And if they don't go to college, they'll still be way better off. It's how you spend it as much as how you make it.

 

If they were not, then we would be queers looking for men to have sex with.

 

Then you should have taken a social studies class.

 

I think that perhaps you meant, "women should be treated equally in the eyes of laws and governments". In a biological sense, women are NOT equal to men. Women are physically weaker, shorter, and less intelligent than men are (as a whole. Exceptions exist). It's because throughout our evolutionary past, women had been picking and choosing men who were superior in some way. As a result, the males of our species have evolved to be superior in almost every way we can think of.

 

What is the point if NOT to groom their prospective students for success? What do you think the Philosophers of Old did, just stood around and preached like a Church? The Church of Knowledge? No, they used that knowledge for real life advances. When 21st century college fails at that, through self-inflicted wounds no less there's a problem.

 

Colleges are becoming more and more a place for the ultra privileged most self centered people with the most liberties to complain about their lack of liberty.

It makes me wonder what a woman in Iran would think if a college girl from the United States told her about the horrors of our patriarchy.

 

If they go to college they will be paying off student debt for years to come. Likely not making a lot more than the hard workers that went to trade school.

 

"Success" is defined in various ways. Do I view the primary value of knowledge to be as a tool in the acquisition of personal material wealth?

No, I do not. That's merely one goal that is more easily attained for those who might set it for themselves.

And, even for them, higher education can be far more enriching than a parochial trade school experience that gives them access to more and better stuff.



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It isn't just a college course. It is an organization. I don't know a lot about the nuts and bolts of it, but I did see a tube with actor Wentworth Miller in which he spoke about his participation in the Men's Project helped him with his own sense of maturity and to stop being a man boy at 40.

 

I was only addressing the matter of a course being offered at the University of Wisconsin, but, yes, it is not confined to that curriculum.

"The UNC Men’s Project is an initiative started in 2013 that seeks to create opportunities for male-identified students to learn, listen, reflect, and work together to increase men’s involvement in gender equity and violence prevention efforts. This program works to promote healthier masculinities on campus and to shift the culture of masculinity toward more non-violent norms."​

It sounds as if it could benefit many.

“Grab them by the p*ssy! You can do anything you want!" is not the type of debased mentality America should promote.

 

Not sure how dietary choices fit in

 

I did. (actually, I was forced to take Social Studies before I could get a degree - think about that for a minute)
It was one of my favorite classes. While the instructor was busy trying to tell me my race was bad and responsible for most of the misery in the world, I was busy meeting girls. Great class. Absolutely worthless at helping me get a better job, but the girls made up for the waste of time.

 

A career profession is NOT a trade vocation. The average trade school is not teaching you how to be a broker. We need these schools to be elite. Not average, not mediocre, elite. We don't have time to learn 'the history of Beyonce'. One must learn, even those classes that you brought up sooner than this crap that's somehow filtering its way through academia.

 

If I take a course on Thermodynamics, Mechanical Strength of Materials, Programing in C#, Vector Analysis, Technical Writing, History of Invention, Nutrition and Physical Conditioning, Accounting, Financial Projections, ...


I can DO something for my life, career, and Society with the Knowledge I gain from such coarses...


What in the hell is DONE with women telling Men how ot redefine Maculinity that has any positive, employable value?


Its just Anti-Male Sexism on Parade!


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So again. You have nothing to offer. Just empty words. Not surprising though.

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I never said that the people who made the course were capable. I was simply asking the poster what HIS criteria was.

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I agree. But so is anyone else with a Y chromosome.

 

Just white wine and Lady Fingers.

 

Did you read this? The course itself doesn't sound terrible.

The target is the Men’s Project, a six-week voluntary discussion program that “aims to explore masculinity and the problems accompanied by simplified definitions of it,” according to a UW Health Service news release.

I don't see what the problem is in analyzing the problems brought about by simplifying what it is to be a man.

I would be tempted to take it just to play devils advocate, but this is a lot of hubbub about nothing bub.

Now, this (not to derail) would be a more worthy of animosity-
The African Studies class, “The Problem of Whiteness,”
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_305557c7-3548-5d1f-8a42-d19c2a4c56d9.html

Now there is a junk class I tell you what. Controversial for the sake of controversial. Definitely not politically correct IMO.

 

What it is to be a man, according to who?

The reason I ask is that I had to discard most of what I believed in order to find happiness. Had I stuck with the psychobabelists I would be dead now.

 

Depends on who you ask. Its a pretty open question that will vary depending on who you ask.

I define my masculinity by;

My ability to take responsibility for my actions
My willingness to admit and learn from mistakes
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My desire to improve myself and those around me.

Sure I use "I'm a man!" in a tongue and cheek way whenever I do something stereotypically manly (like drinking whisky neat, or heading to the gun range) but the 3 things above are at the heart of "masculinity" though really they are good ideas no matter what you have betwixt your legs.

 

By your definition all good women are masculine. If you are Professor Henry Higgins you have answered your own question: "Yes! A woman can be more like a man."

 

Those are sociological and not core issues. First and foremost, we are designed to spread our seed far and wide. Men's sexuality has been vilified and suppressed. But we are primarily sexual creatures.

One interesting anecdote: One group intended to study the effects of porn on young men. They couldn't do the study because approximately 100% of the young men surveyed used porn. so there was no control group. We can even track porn usage rates by porn-induced sexual disfunction, which is a problem with many young men. Older men didn't start having problems with this until high speed internet came along!

I told my then wife about this. She was disgusted and blurted out, "Well then all men are just perverts!"